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the concept of banning

cub
over 7 years

you know whats a cool thing to think about

everymod's favorite hobby, banning people

so here's the paradox: you ban people so that they can't cause trouble, correct? so, they come back on an alt and don't cause any trouble, but you discover that they're a "banned user," so you ban them again. but wait, why ban them if they aren't causing trouble? and why are they even a "banner user" if they aren't causing trouble?

i think that permanent and even simply long bans are illogical because at some point in a ban someone will inevitably reach a point where they stop bothering to cause trouble. otherwise they could just use vpns forever. really, banning serves only to inconvenience people who are least dedicated to causing trouble and challenge (unsuccessfully) those who aren't

so we should abolish banning users for longer than a month and exterminate the concept of a "banned user" which is redundant considering once an alt starts causing trouble you can ban them on that premise anyway so why does it matter

cub
over 7 years

xxerox says

That is their country, and they follow their own laws. For them that's not barbaric, that's normal everyday thing.

Using drugs? Dead. Stealing? Cutting off your hands.



For here, Epicmafia is normal to ban players to pushing them.


where would society be if we just thought "eh, it is how it is"

not long ago, the burden of proof was on the accused, not the accuser
deletedover 7 years

cub says


thelastchromosome says


cub says


thelastchromosome says

Cub i was vegetarian for a lot of my life and i started eating meat a few years ago and i need you to convince me to stop eating meat again please


im not even piscetarian* because i think meat is wrong i just think veggie alternatives are better in addition to being generally healthier


you're not very persuasive


you say that but i think honesty is most persuasive


fine i'll stop eating meat
cub
over 7 years

glow says

what if ur really capable with ur feet and learn to steal with ur toes


what if you didnt steal anything but the burden of guilt is on you to prove you didn't

we're not talking about america here and in our history innocent until proven guilty is a novel idea
xxerox
over 7 years
That is their country, and they follow their own laws. For them that's not barbaric, that's normal everyday thing.

Using drugs? Dead. Stealing? Cutting off your hands.



For here, Epicmafia is normal to ban players to pushing them.
deletedover 7 years

Floor says


thelastchromosome says


Floor says


cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem



I think it addresses the problem pretty damn well lmao


beheading your anime directors and producers would address how you're brain's all mush but it doesn't fix how you're wanting to make your brain into mush


mush brains matter


if you mashed your face into your keyboard for thirty seconds and then clicked post i would think you were operating on some small level of self awareness and that you are at least ten times more capable than i do now with you making this post
cub
over 7 years

thelastchromosome says


cub says


thelastchromosome says

Cub i was vegetarian for a lot of my life and i started eating meat a few years ago and i need you to convince me to stop eating meat again please


im not even piscetarian* because i think meat is wrong i just think veggie alternatives are better in addition to being generally healthier


you're not very persuasive


you say that but i think honesty is most persuasive
deletedover 7 years

cub says


thelastchromosome says

Cub i was vegetarian for a lot of my life and i started eating meat a few years ago and i need you to convince me to stop eating meat again please


im not even piscetarian* because i think meat is wrong i just think veggie alternatives are better in addition to being generally healthier


you're not very persuasive
Floor
over 7 years

thelastchromosome says


Floor says


cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem



I think it addresses the problem pretty damn well lmao


beheading your anime directors and producers would address how you're brain's all mush but it doesn't fix how you're wanting to make your brain into mush


mush brains matter
glow
over 7 years
what if ur really capable with ur feet and learn to steal with ur toes
cub
over 7 years

thelastchromosome says

Cub i was vegetarian for a lot of my life and i started eating meat a few years ago and i need you to convince me to stop eating meat again please


im not even piscetarian* because i think meat is wrong i just think veggie alternatives are better in addition to being generally healthier
deletedover 7 years

Floor says


cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem



I think it addresses the problem pretty damn well lmao


beheading your anime directors and producers would address how you're brain's all mush but it doesn't fix how you're wanting to make your brain into mush
cub
over 7 years

Floor says


cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem



I think it addresses the problem pretty damn well lmao


ok, so do people not want to steal, or do they not want to get their hands cut off? the problem is that they want/need to steal, how does this stop that desire? you can't tell me it doesn't just create a conflicting desire, because that's what negative reinforcement does
xxerox
over 7 years

cub says


xxerox says


cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem

africa is also pretty far behind the modern world methinks but maybe you'd like it there


As barbaric as it sounds, it is effective.


you know what stops people from killing

being dead

maybe we should kill people so they don't kill people


What happened with rehabilitation? Maybe we should rehabilitate them before they do something wrong in the first place.
cub
over 7 years

xxerox says

Tell me the rate of people that steal in Africa and then rehabilitate and never steal again, and the people that steal anywhere else in the world.


tell me the quality of life in africa

trust me, you'd prefer having petty thieves running around than a society of fear and cripples
deletedover 7 years
Cub i was vegetarian for a lot of my life and i started eating meat a few years ago and i need you to convince me to stop eating meat again please
Floor
over 7 years

cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem



I think it addresses the problem pretty damn well lmao
cub
over 7 years

xxerox says


cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem

africa is also pretty far behind the modern world methinks but maybe you'd like it there


As barbaric as it sounds, it is effective.


you know what stops people from killing

being dead

maybe we should kill people so they don't kill people
xxerox
over 7 years
Tell me the rate of people that steal in Africa and then rehabilitate and never steal again, and the people that steal anywhere else in the world.
cub
over 7 years
APA source on help vs punish
http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug03/rehab.aspx

it comes with its own additional sources, but the APA is a pretty trusted organization on its own merit
xxerox
over 7 years

cub says


xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem

africa is also pretty far behind the modern world methinks but maybe you'd like it there


As barbaric as it sounds, it is effective.
deletedover 7 years

cub says

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i came real close to installing this virus
cub
over 7 years

xxerox says

You can't steal if you don't have hands . Thats their logic.


you can't commit murder if you're dead

checkmate humanists
cub
over 7 years

xxerox says

In africa they cut off your hands if you steal.

That stops them from stealing ever again.

Do you think that is effective or ineffective?


i think that's barbaric and doesn't address the problem

africa is also pretty far behind the modern world methinks but maybe you'd like it there
xxerox
over 7 years
You can't steal if you don't have hands . Thats their logic.
cub
over 7 years

xxerox says

You do something bad.

You are punished.

You get negative association and reaction toward the bad thing you did.

You are now negative toward the bad thing and never do it again because you will be punished again and you will feel bad.


thanks pavlov now read my post