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Holocaust Denial and Free Speech

Bebop
about 8 years

Greetings Epicmafia community,

I've been wanting to make this thread for a while but haven't until now because I believed it to be a tad too risque.

Many countries have laws prohibiting the denial of the Holocaust (the genocide of Jews, Poles and other Slavic peoples, Soviet POWs, Romanis, communists, homosexuals, Freemasons, Jehovah's Witnesses and the mentally and physically disabled by Germany). Many countries have even broader laws which ban genocide denial in general.

In Germany for example, 'Volksverhetzung' is a concept in German criminal law that bans Holocaust denial. In addition, 'Strafgesetzbuch' outlaws various symbols of "unconstitutional organisations" such as the Swastika and the SS runes. Offenders who break these laws shall be liable to imprisonment from anywhere between three months and five years.

I'm not here to take either side in the debate, I would simply like to hear Sandbox's opinions on the matter.

Is this an ethical thing to do? Should people be able to be persecuted by law for simply holding beliefs?

Denying the Holocaust...
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Hate Speech
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Free Speech
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CoryInConstantinople says




First off, concentration camps (later forced labor camps) were opened before 1939, did the creator of this photo just think about Auschwitz as the first camp or? The first camp was Dachau in 1933. They started practicing the method of forced labor in 1934.

Secondly, the 11 million people killed were not solely killed in death camps, the war included a ton more people than that and many were targeted on the streets by both guards and citizens alike. Only about half of the Jewish people killed were killed in death camps.

Also, Auschwitz population was much larger than 418=3%. 3% of their population would've been about 3,900. This doesn't help my point but jesus christ the picture just has so many problems in general.
I'm also sure this is bait but I really have nothing better to do with my break between classes so.
Bebop
about 8 years

LeChuck says

Denying the holocaust is illegal in Germany.


yeah i detailed the laws in the OP
LeChuck
about 8 years
Denying the holocaust is illegal in Germany.
odin
about 8 years

aladrew says

what do you think they were doing with all them Jews?


GAS
Sishen
about 8 years
Imagine, if you would, six million Armenians...
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And tbh, if you are that stupid to have this thought and not be antisemitic, your just stupid. like you can go visit Auschwitz, it's a physical place that still sits there, what do you think they were doing with all them Jews?
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Racism is against the law right, it's only banned because holocaust denial is normally a thing that anti-Semites believe, this is due to lots of anti-semitic people thinking that the holocaust was made up by the Jews and is really just a lie they tell you to make you feel bad. That's why it's banned because it's generally anti-semitic.
sl0nderman
about 8 years

Chaika says


sl0nderman says

I want real opinions, this totally isn't a poorly disguised bait thread!


Well you replied, good job.




barn
about 8 years
I think it's important to define what "denying the Holocaust" means, exactly, which means you have to also define what the Holocaust was. For example, let's say that believing in the Holocaust means believing these three things happened: the murder of 6 million Jews, a definite order from Adolf Hitler to systematically exterminate all Jews, and that gas chambers using Zyklon B were one of the major methods used in this deliberate extermination. If you use this definition, then questioning or not believing any one of these things would count as denying the Holocaust - because, if you claim one part of the definition isn't true, then you are effectively claiming that the Holocaust as it is defined didn't happen.

Personally, I think there is a big difference between believing (or simply investigating that) a part of our accepted history is untrue or misrepresented, and denying every single aspect of an event in history. Making it illegal to question things, whatever they may be, doesn't sit well with me. I can understand why people would be upset by others denying such a sensitive part of history, but demanding silence and blind acceptance isn't the way to go. If those who question or deny are wrong, they'll be proven as such through open discussion. Silencing them - especially through government power - only gives weight to their words.
Sheamus
about 8 years

Edark says

smh


go away fgt
Edark
about 8 years
smh
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PeanutMarmaduke says


CoryInConstantinople says


sweetnkind says

This thread is now about me and Cory being hot and blonde


i cant figure out how to post it so

http://i.imgur.com/aD1gH3V.gif


thats because ur blonde



bimbo.


thanks baby
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1JMjwJG2UM

fun fact, this video was recorded right after the jews were released from the camps
Chaika
about 8 years

sl0nderman says

I want real opinions, this totally isn't a poorly disguised bait thread!


Well you replied, good job.

PeanutMarmaduke
about 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says


sweetnkind says

This thread is now about me and Cory being hot and blonde


i cant figure out how to post it so

http://i.imgur.com/aD1gH3V.gif


thats because ur blonde



bimbo.
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Me and Cory reading ur comments
coolkidrox123
about 8 years
You can't really ban ppl from denying it lol its fine. let them. Its a good way to weed out the scum of this earth.
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sweetnkind says

This thread is now about me and Cory being hot and blonde


i cant figure out how to post it so

http://i.imgur.com/aD1gH3V.gif
sl0nderman
about 8 years
I want real opinions, this totally isn't a poorly disguised bait thread!
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This thread is now about me and Cory being hot and blonde
Chaika
about 8 years
I have to ask, is this within the context of the American constitution?
Bebop
about 8 years
the main point of the thread is here at the end where i say

"Is this an ethical thing to do? Should people be able to be persecuted by law for simply holding beliefs?"

do people believe that the state should be able to silence people for believing things (even if the beliefs are backwards and hurtful)?
Chaika
about 8 years

coolkidrox123 says

Hey guys I deny the occurance of the black opression. it didnt exsist! The blacks made it up to play the victim! We shouldn't really care about what happened back then! Its all fake! Never happened!!
:)

Wait...wadumean there is proof, stories, pictures,corpses and obvious evidence it had occured? I bet all those were fabricated! And all those thousands of blacks who say their pparents were opressed are lieing! its all false! Black and white segrigation? boy i need to be there to see it with my own eyes to even consider beleieveing in that bs!!!

im racist? wtf you on about? Its my belif! I have a right to think that don't i!!


A joke to counter a joke, well meme'd.
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PeanutMarmaduke says

Screw the Holocaust, I don't even believe Jews are real

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PeanutMarmaduke says

Screw the Holocaust, I don't even believe Jews are real


You also don't beleieve your colour is cancer i assume?