Epicmafia

Should we or should we not

almost 9 years

Allow a deserving champion to defend his title on epicmafia.com?

Let's get the answer from the parties who will be directly affected as a result of the conclusion on this.

They get to decide whether they want to be given the free win and be ridiculed later by taunts such as "you won because we let you", or fight for the trophy and show us if they actually deserve it.

Do u you want this unwritten rule?

No. I will win fair

Yes. I want the trophy I cheated so hard for

panthero

almost 9 years

@lono- are you actually this bad at logic?

You say he doesn't deserve the trophy because of the rule.

And you say the rule shouldn't be changed because he doesn't deserve the trophy because of the rule?

Even my cow is smarter than that.

Becomeclear

almost 9 years

I'll tell you exactly what brownpimp deserves. . .

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he doesn't deserve it because it's not two rounds from the round he trophied.

panthero

almost 9 years

You say "just so brown can trophy" like he doesn't deserve it.

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we arent changing the rule just so brown can trophy. this site needs to stop trying to come together and be loud to make exceptions or flat out change rules when they should be left alone

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what happened to the gays thread

Sonrio

almost 9 years

Pranay is a cheater i have proof

panthero

almost 9 years

Yo edark, how many votes will it take?

schutzekatze

almost 9 years

Tatami says

And the coniditions of this pseudocompetition should be...

The current conditions are pseudocompetitive-like.

Tatami says

Winding it back a bit, setting lower value as a default means distribution also matters less-not just in the meritocratic but in the egalitarian sense. If trophies don't matter why not let them run twice? Leads into first point w/ some more explanation so I'll leave it there.

First is restriction of choice. By saying "this isn't a real competition, don't act like it's one, no consecutive runs" you are preventing someone from taking it as seriously as they want to take it.

I'm not certain on whether the rule should be there or not, there's arguments for both sides.

I was giving arguments for its benefits - it makes trophies more accessible which I don't see as a bad thing because they're not worth much to begin with.

But again, I voted against the rule because I don't want to, as you said, prevent people from taking it seriously. brownpimp in this case.

Second is it raises questions of the site's valuation of trophies and their purpose to begin with. Does the site think of it as a real competition? Answers vary. Who are the people that care about trophies? What do they think the competition should be like? What does saying "It's not a real competitive environment" say about the competitions themselves? Should we even moderate the games at all? To what extent? And why? And so on and so forth

There was even a thread that unironically wanted to allow cheating, because it's hardly going to be prevented.

Tatami

almost 9 years

schutz says

Reread my answer until you get it.

rofl

schutz says

I wouldn't call it fake, but it doesn't have fair conditions of a proper competition.

And the coniditions of this pseudocompetition should be...

schutz says

Idk, not much positive.

Winding it back a bit, setting lower value as a default means distribution also matters less-not just in the meritocratic but in the egalitarian sense. If trophies don't matter why not let them run twice? Leads into first point w/ some more explanation so I'll leave it there.

First is restriction of choice. By saying "this isn't a real competition, don't act like it's one, no consecutive runs" you are preventing someone from taking it as seriously as they want to take it.

Second is it raises questions of the site's valuation of trophies and their purpose to begin with. Does the site think of it as a real competition? Answers vary. Who are the people that care about trophies? What do they think the competition should be like? What does saying "It's not a real competitive environment" say about the competitions themselves? Should we even moderate the games at all? To what extent? And why? And so on and so forth

schutzekatze

almost 9 years

Tatami says

bluhblah

~~Reread my answer until you get it.~~

I wouldn't call it fake, but it doesn't have fair conditions of a proper competition.

tatter says

What does low trophy value [Addendum: as a given] say positively about consecutive runs?

Idk, not much positive.

AsbelLhant

almost 9 years

>Because of this, I feel like trophies don't have that much value

string him up. He dares speak against the site.

schutzekatze

almost 9 years

pranay was right again

Tatami

almost 9 years

schutz says

It doesn't matter whether it should or not, because it's definitely not changing.

Tatami says

If no, what should "fake" competition on EM look like?

schutz says

Third, in case you think that consecutive running would improve competition standards, I doubt it would. The problem lies elsewhere - the nature of comp on EM.

Tatami says

What does low trophy value [Addendum: as a given] say positively about consecutive runs?

panthero

almost 9 years

AS we can see that all the players who can't trophy on their own, want players like brown suspended.

schutzekatze

almost 9 years

It doesn't matter whether it should or not, because it's definitely not changing.

I agree that the second is a matter of perspective, I'm outing my opinion.

Third, in case you think that consecutive running would improve competition standards, I doubt it would. The problem lies elsewhere - the nature of comp on EM.

Tatami

almost 9 years

Explanation: First block of questions the important ones are the ones that follow your answer to "Should it?"

Second is partially a matter of disagreement on vision but I'll give it because it's not worth the effort to type.

Third inverse question is "What does low trophy value say positively about consecutive runs?"

Tatami

almost 9 years

schutzekatze says

I don't get the point of your trolling, you're misinterpreting what I say.

Not trolling, you're the one misinterpreting rather than the reverse.

schutzekatze

almost 9 years

I don't get the point of your trolling, you're misinterpreting what I say.

Tatami

almost 9 years

First quote missed entire point, second/third try running it past the inverse questions.

schutzekatze

almost 9 years

Tatami says

Does it not? Should it not? If yes, how does it get there? If no, what should "fake" competition on EM look like?[

It does not because of the reasons in the second paragraph.
And it won't get there.

? says

The way you talk about it suggests this is a problem. If it is, why and how does this connect with the above. If it is not, how does this actually connect to the consecutive trophy issue?

You compared EM competition to real competition, and argued that consecutive trophies should be allowed because of that - in real competitions nobody prevents you from competing again just because you won last time. Because EM competitive environment is different, you can't use that argument.

?? says

Contradictory.

Letting different and not necessarily the best people trophy is a direct consequence of low trophy value, so no contradiction there.

Tatami

almost 9 years

schutzekatze says

This isn't true, though, since competition here on EM doesn't have a real competitive environment.

Does it not? Should it not? If yes, how does it get there? If no, what should "fake" competition on EM look like?

shutzwhatever says

There's people throwing for their friends and bias in general, meta, cheaters, and too many people fvcking around. I know that my chance of winning increases significantly when I play with people I know.

The way you talk about it suggests this is a problem. If it is, why and how does this connect with the above? If it is not, how does this actually connect to the consecutive trophy issue?

whoever says

Because of this, I feel like trophies don't have that much value and we should let different people trophy.

Contradictory.

villain

almost 9 years

the difference would be someone doesn't get fked over from an abrupt rule change

Burial

almost 9 years

panthero says

If they finish 4th they don't desrve the win.

but under the rules that they agreed to when they started playing the round they do

schutzekatze

almost 9 years

I voted against it, but the rule does have some merit.

Some people have compared this to real competitive sports or games and used it as an argument against the rule, because the best should always win. This isn't true, though, since competition here on EM doesn't have a real competitive environment.

There's people throwing for their friends and bias in general, meta, cheaters, and too many people fvcking around. I know that my chance of winning increases significantly when I play with people I know.

Because of this, I feel like trophies don't have that much value and we should let different people trophy. But again, I voted against the rule here, because brownpimp really wants it and I don't want to look like I care too much about the trophy myself.