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Forum Mafia 19: Forbidden Actions

papuito
about 8 years

Welcome to Forum Mafia 19: Forbidden Actions!

Game is over. Ended on Day 5

Mafia wins! This game was ranked.

The mastermind's behind this game are Gerry, Mori and myself.

The game will be played like any other Forum Mafia game, with one twist! Every player will be given an action pregame. If the action they are given is performed, they will be Killed from the game, with their forbidden action being shown afterward. More information will be given under Rules.

I. The Schedule:

72 Hour Days. 24 Hour Nights

  • If you don't submit actions by the deadline I will consider you taking no action.

II. The Set Up:

  • There is no "possible roles list". I promise not to get too crazy.

  • Mafia will have Day chat. And will know each other's Forbidden Actions

  • You will get an Alignment PM. Town or Mafia and your alignment will not change.

Sample Role PM:

Welcome to Forum Mafia 19, papuito!

Your role is Vanilla Townie, you are sided with the Town.

Your only power in this game is your voice and your vote. Good luck.

Your forbidden action is: Using pictures or gifs in any of your posts

YOU CANNOT SHARE THIS FORBIDDEN ACTION WITH ANYONE

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Mafia Sample:

Welcome to Forum Mafia 19, papuito!

Your role is Mafia Goon, you are sided with the Mafia.

You are partners with (Player name) and (Player name). You share a day talk here (url here).

Your forbidden action is: Using pictures or gifs in any of your posts

YOU CAN ONLY SHARE YOUR FORBIDDEN ACTION WITH MAFIA MEMBERS.

Each night, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill. You may kill and perform your role action during the same night.

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same)

III. The Rules:

Forum Mafia 19 Rules:

http://pastebin.com/kEUDw4T9 (The only modification is that mafia may kill and perform role action in the same night. Only 1 mafia member commits the kill.)

As explained earlier, there will be forbidden actions. YOU CANNOT SHARE YOUR FORBIDDEN ACTION. If found to, you will be mod killed. If you commit the forbidden action, you will be killed from the game. You may speculate forbidden actions of others within the game. If asked whether your forbidden action is something, you cannot confirm or deny. You can also not soft or hint as to what your forbidden action is.

We also will be strict about ISP and replacements. If you think for any reason you MAY have to be replaced, do not sign up. We also reserve the right to deny anyone from joining, if we believe you will troll, isp, sub.

IV. Votes:

  • Votes must be made in the format Vote: Playername. Bolding is done using the tags [b][/b].

  • I will not take any other type of vote. If I can't tell who you're voting, I won't take it.

MOD NOTE Mori will be giving out a token prize to a player from each alignment who the hosts determined played best.

V. Game Log:

XXNicoleXX: Vanilla Townie. Lynched Day 1.

Her forbidden action: Town NLing any day.

Damned: Vanilla Townie. Killed Night 1.

His forbidden action: Double Posting and editing post.

yoyo200900: Vanilla Townie. Lynched Day 2

His forbidden action: Any Day lasting less than 36 hours.

VI. Subs:

yoyo200900 subs in for Ideal

citeopmI
about 8 years

denial says

? transcend didn't townread sincerely, so don't know where this was said? he said you were maf for your "fake" reactions.


he townread me until it was revealed I was a PR.



scumreading me here is actually really dumb sincerely, because i basically GAVE you mafia in the two people you were townreading.


you said babylonia was scum, yes, but bussing exists.



u continued to townread soda even after u were convinced that soda/n1ed were soft ccs and one was town and the other was maf


I don't recall being convinced of that.



u continued to townread mist even though i told you the ending of their push is absolute dogsh!t. if you seriously can't get to the end of our argument and go "oh wow mist was really onto something! maybe denial DID unconsciously make a joke because he was in the mindset of trying to get me (sincerely) killed!"


It seemed like a justification for something that I was thinking too. That's overall why I townread mist: I thought she was thinking the same way I was.



u can read my days; i'm actually developing reads and having them change. it's not like i was a part of mafia and had some prearranged plan. day 1: i think soda is town, retti flips out, soda continues to push on him but kinda weakly. i say something about and think soda was scum (THIS WOULD BE MY ROLEBLOCKER ON D1) because i think he wanted to lynch him but realized he looked like almost fking confirmedtown with his outburst so he did weak pushes. later on in the day, soda says something about "keep saying something retti and i'll go back to you". when he said that i went back to townreading soda, because then i thought maybe he genuinely did scumread him but gave it up becuase he thought retti was mostly town


Again, I don't remember this happening.
citeopmI
about 8 years
i literally JUST gave reasons why you might be scum.
denial
about 8 years
thats not a "appeal to shears line" also. that's a think really hard what you're going to say because one push is pretty fking dumb the way this game has played out
denial
about 8 years
oh my god sincerely is actually braindead.

i've been softing that i think soda was mafia for a LONG fking time. i didn't want to outright say it because he was on my side and i didn't want to alienate somebody voting with me rather than against me

you can literally see me quote ideals d1 talk about who the 3 town were and who the 1 maf was. you can literally see me TALKING TO YOU THAT SODA IS PRETTY MUCH MAF SINCE N1ED WAS ACTUALLY DOCTOR.

hope you realize that this should be an actual easy decision for you. its only hard for me because you had stupid townreads on both maf and i had to tell you why they're stupid

shears was my scumread early; i told her to lynch babylonia and questioned why she wasnt trying to lynch either of us at that point
citeopmI
about 8 years

denial says


shearsSedator says

Hi I am pretty sure I know who mafia is. I am on mobile though so it might be hard to get quotes but I'll try.


hope u push on the right person. i literally goaded u into voting mist and u wouldnt bite


which looked really bad to me. Like "in case impoetic doesn't TR me, let me appeal to shears too". His posts didn't feel scumhunty except the lines stating his uncertainty, and I think those can be forced.
citeopmI
about 8 years
Reasons I think Denial is scum right now:
- he made a show of wanting us to lynch in him/babylonia day 2 and the two retained foses of each other but denial soon backtracked and didn't feel like he was genuinely trying his best to get Babylonia lynched.

- His reasoning on babylonia didn't make sense which in retrospect could be confbias.

- His TR on me had a really simple basis despite not ostensibly pertaining to meta or gut. He said I was good at forcing things and he (along with both flipped mafia) made some moves as if trying to set up to retract their TRs and lynch me later if need be, but never really seemed to be concerned except recently in front of aug and after I pointed it out. ("But you've been getting good at forcing things lately" was never followed up on and he's acting like I'm conftown.)

-His brief burst of AtE seemed really towny to me at the time but he quickly backed down and that felt like he might not really be mad at me, but I doubted (and still sort of doubt) whether he would do what he did as scum.

- In the interactions I saw, he and transcend both avoided each other a lot. Like, he didn't seem to have a read on transcend, and Transcend just had him in his TRs because of the interaction with babylonia which didn't make sense to me.

Today I just got the vibe he was trying too hard to towntell and wanted to pocket me after I outed a townread on him for his ATE d2, and he made a lot of posts that felt hollow. Then there was this:
denial
about 8 years
? transcend didn't townread sincerely, so don't know where this was said? he said you were maf for your "fake" reactions.

not sure how u dont remember this when you had an outburst towards him

scumreading me here is actually really dumb sincerely, because i basically GAVE you mafia in the two people you were townreading.

u continued to townread soda even after u were convinced that soda/n1ed were soft ccs and one was town and the other was maf

u continued to townread mist even though i told you the ending of their push is absolute dogsh!t. if you seriously can't get to the end of our argument and go "oh wow mist was really onto something! maybe denial DID unconsciously make a joke because he was in the mindset of trying to get me (sincerely) killed!"

u can read my days; i'm actually developing reads and having them change. it's not like i was a part of mafia and had some prearranged plan. day 1: i think soda is town, retti flips out, soda continues to push on him but kinda weakly. i say something about and think soda was scum (THIS WOULD BE MY ROLEBLOCKER ON D1) because i think he wanted to lynch him but realized he looked like almost fking confirmedtown with his outburst so he did weak pushes. later on in the day, soda says something about "keep saying something retti and i'll go back to you". when he said that i went back to townreading soda, because then i thought maybe he genuinely did scumread him but gave it up becuase he thought retti was mostly town

mist vs me is clearly based off of her pushing off a joke (something shears also did and i scumread them for that too earlier). keep in mind, if you thought this was planned, mist can not talk in daychat

also, you'd have to argue that mist tried to bus her (most likely) more important mafia partner. she was lynched as goon; do you think mafia had goon/goon/role blocker?

going back to reread other stuff that was said now
citeopmI
about 8 years

shearsSedator says

I have to do things but like I said Im willing to listen to your case on denial so I wont vote yet.


okay wait
citeopmI
about 8 years
look, i'm going to be as honest as possible because I'm not good at coming up with concrete points for my innocence as town.

I have been utterly bad at this game so far. Ripple and denial both said you were town for your interactions with transcend, but denial went on to say I was conftown and he was only reconsidering because both mafia tr'd me without seeming to reconsider. I find mafia often TRs me and i tend to reciprocate.

I don't believe you would say Transcend's forbidden action as scum and put the idea in our heads when it wasn't there before. I don't believe you'd FOS me over denial here.

Most of all, I thought denial was town at daystart before I spent time reconsidering, but now I agree with Ripple, so that's where i'm going to vote if given the choice. You might be scum, and I have reasons to SR/TR both of you. So I'm not sure. I get a bad vibe from denial today.

I don't see why 3 mafia TRing me is strange or where you were going with that rhetorical question.
shearsSedator
about 8 years
I have to do things but like I said Im willing to listen to your case on denial so I wont vote yet.
citeopmI
about 8 years
wtf kinda question is that
shearsSedator
about 8 years
If denial is mafia in your pov, then wouldn't 3/3 mafia have townread you?
citeopmI
about 8 years

shearsSedator says

Oh I see, so a stalker, for example, could be given role cop as a fakeclaim?


those are semantically equivalent roles, so no. It's just that I heard in passing that closed setups give mafia fakeclaims precisely so they AREN'T in trouble for claiming roles that don't jibe with a setup at all. I'm not sure anymore if that's the case but i thought it was a good point at the time.
citeopmI
about 8 years
i can't argue on the fact that two of three mafia townread me and i townread them back except that in hindsight it was obvious buddying and not something i'd ever willingly do. WIFOM can be said of anything but is rarely optimal for that exact reason.

The reaction you quoted from denial looks really easy to force to me.

And to answer your question, right now, I think denial is mafia.
shearsSedator
about 8 years
Oh I see, so a stalker, for example, could be given role cop as a fakeclaim?
citeopmI
about 8 years
i don't know if they're actually given fakeclaims though cuz both of u and babylonia all claimed blue
citeopmI
about 8 years

shearsSedator says


citeopmI says

oh god I knew it

a. guilty testing as in getting a report on someone that was false and indicated they were scum.

regarding role mechs I honestly have no idea but I read that mafia members were given fakeclaims in forum mafia games and would have no incentive to claim my real role instead of, say, doctor.


Fakeclaims? How does this work?


in closed setups (or at least weird setups) mafia members receive second, fake roles to claim as town in their role PMs to avoid unconvincing claims. I've never been mafia in a closed setup yet except once a long time ago but that's what i heard.
citeopmI
about 8 years
transcend thinking the setup was fake should have been a tip-off to me i guess
shearsSedator
about 8 years

citeopmI says

oh god I knew it

a. guilty testing as in getting a report on someone that was false and indicated they were scum.

regarding role mechs I honestly have no idea but I read that mafia members were given fakeclaims in forum mafia games and would have no incentive to claim my real role instead of, say, doctor.


Fakeclaims? How does this work?
citeopmI
about 8 years
of course I was surprised when denial said retti outed a guilty report on babylonia. I didn't see retti out that report and I didn't think babylonia or retti were scum.
citeopmI
about 8 years

citeopmI says

oh come the f on transcend if i were scum i could literally just sheep ripple she hard TRs me



citeopmI says

i can believe you called my reactions fake after making it 100% clear your real logic came from thinking the setup didn't make sense (it does, Einstein) much better than i can believe how f*cking ludicrous your outbursts are. and it's not even specific to this game.



citeopmI says

MY reactions are fake? if you were anyone else I would absolutely not believe you genuinely thought you were in the right in the last 2 posts or so. I was wondering why you were so reasonable all this time but I guess that rage was just being saved up for when people LYNCHED SOMEONE WHO PLAYED LIKE SCUM AND CLAIMED WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TR HER. I like ponylove, but there were so many reasons to lynch her I couldn't list them off the top of my head. And modkilling was super optimal -- we get an extra chance to ML without losing, don't we?

My reactions are me trying to say what I'm thinking, so f*ck you.

Flinging random insults at everyone and calling people trash because you didn't get your way when your reads aren't even right this game (as you'll see whenever you stop with the weird "I'll lynch impoetic but not today" garbage if not before) is just the most immature, unconstructive, unenjoyable way for you to vent your anger and I swear if i let my emotions out too much on things like this then you might want to look for a psychiatrist.

This game has been a trainwreck. That doesn't make everyone who misreads someone some kind of IRL scum that deserves to be dissed and it doesn't make you a shining gem in the rough.

shearsSedator
about 8 years

citeopmI says


denial says

you guys realize babylonia is pretty much confirmed scum right?

retti, out who she visited. we are lynching her. stop being such a puss thinking you can lynch somebody that makes her clear, cause shes just gonna be mafia with a visiting role

ponylove is probably the 3rd party role if there is one, i dunno if they'd put fool in here, but i kinda got the feeling they were the 3rd party based on claiming/softing PR while getting lynched and then claiming blue when the lynch was off them (so they don't die)




What??? where did retti say babylonia visited someone?


Okay so this quote is cool because it has both of your reactions to rettis fake report on babylonia.
At this point nobody paid much mind to it so if denial was mafia he really has no reason to bring it up at this point especially since he would know its a bluff because retti later says he was roleblocked.

Impoetic on the other hand didnt even notice the bluff in the first hand so it seems she is a bit surprised here, maybe because she knows retti was roleblocked?

Anyway, impoetic if you think denial is mafia im willing to listen to what you have to say but I will likely vote you today.
citeopmI
about 8 years
pony overreacted when I asked her a question and didn't make any sense to me. And then tried to force the lynch between us. Transcend did none of that, because he thought he'd get lynched if he did. 20/20 hindsight
citeopmI
about 8 years
i'm pretty sure I had a ton of reaction to transcend's fos but it was explained in a way that made me think he was just genuinely mistaken. I didn't consider he could be mafia because I thought he was f*cking town.
citeopmI
about 8 years
"no reaction"??????????????