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hijab

over 8 years

greetings epicmafia community,

i think we need a good discussion on the hijab and any other islamic apparel that is designed for "modesty"

now while i believe people should be allowed to wear what they want, we must be honest about such articles of clothing. they were introduced and used for the sole purpose of "modesty".

today's muslim women now are trying to defend the hijab.

they claim that it's their choice - which is valid. however, what it really means is that these women were most likely forced to wear the hijab since birth and have grown accustomed to it.

personally, i find islam to be an extremely problematic religion and i think this actual sexist apparel stems from it.

hijab

oppression

mindful

over 8 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

cub

over 8 years

what are some examples

bdog1321

over 8 years

SirAmelio says

most islam states are basically 1000-2000 years behind most other civilizations culture-wise, hopefully they'll catch up eventually and stop opressing women and stuff

fixed

not that "most other civilizations" are that great in these regards either

MeetTerry

over 8 years

honestly it's pretty refreshing to have this type of discussion with cub

+1 to her

deletedover 8 years

stop using hard words!!!

Chaika

over 8 years

No, I have no reason to take your deflections to heart.

cub

over 8 years

are you taking my post personally

Chaika

over 8 years

There's no need to take everything so personally. It was all in good jest my friend.

cub

over 8 years

Chaika says

I thought cub made this topic at first. Welcome back, Terry.

i thought this was an uninspired chaika comment at first

then it was

cub

over 8 years

Turpentine says

is that the ol meetterry 'this issue invalidates this other issue' maneuver I see

you say this is a womens issue, i provide a counterexample, somehow you think im the one wrong here?

your counter "example" to my counterexample is "hurr meetterry"

SirAmelio

over 8 years

most islam states are basically 100-200 years behind most other civilizations culture-wise, hopefully they'll catch up eventually and stop opressing women and stuff

Chaika

over 8 years

I thought cub made this topic at first. Welcome back, Terry.

tricksterer

over 8 years

cub says

modesty isnt sexist

you know we still practice male genital mutilation in the first world which exists to preserve "modesty" by desensitizing boys so they don't masturbate

women are not the sole victims of modesty, and wearing clothes isnt as bad as mutilation in my humble opinion

^^^^^^

i do think that the problem w/ expecting women to be modest is much larger than just having to wear more clothes, but i also know a lot of men who are deeply affected by the root cause of the issue ie obsession w/ virginity and sexual purity

i have met so many guys who literally think they are evil bad people bc they watched p-word (em censored that), or even bc they kissed a girl they werent officially planning to marry

at the end of the day ppl need to mind their own beeswax whether theyre religious or not, but the sex obsession exists literally everywhere and is problematic literally everywhere so there u go terry

Ben

over 8 years

is that the ol meetterry 'this issue invalidates this other issue' maneuver I see

cub

over 8 years

modesty isnt sexist

you know we still practice male genital mutilation in the first world which exists to preserve "modesty" by desensitizing boys so they don't masturbate

women are not the sole victims of modesty, and wearing clothes isnt as bad as mutilation in my humble opinion

Ben

over 8 years

the annoying thing about this whole argument is the whole 'you should be free to wear what you want' thing.

like ok if you want to wear a hijab then wear it but... they aren't wearing it for the 'right' reasons imo which sounds like a thing to say... But I don't think you should have to cover yourself up just to appease a god.

the whole modesty thing is so archaic and sexist though. Women should not be viewed as some obscene sexual object that must be hidden, and men should not be treated like seeing someone's upper leg will send them into a frenzy

cub

over 8 years

no really skirts are just immodest versions of pants

the whole point of a skirt is basically having your entire bottom exposed thats the only difference between skirts and pants

tricksterer

over 8 years

cub says

tricksterer says

or a christian/mormon/whatev who wears long skirts, or anything else really.

skirts arent modest wear pants

hahaha ok you say that but like i grew up conservative christian and i have friends who werent allowed to wear pants to church

i wasnt allowed to wear a two piece swimsuit or shorts shorter than like....8 inches growing up

i knew a girl who wasnt allowed to wear pants at all for a long time or talk to boys until her parents found her a husband but she was kind of an outlier

cub

over 8 years

tricksterer says

or a christian/mormon/whatev who wears long skirts, or anything else really.

skirts arent modest wear pants

cub

over 8 years

you might also be honorkilled if a relative isnt too confident about going to heaven

tricksterer

over 8 years

idk i think modesty is a complicated issue in any religion, bc i know a lot of the time the origin of wanting to be modest has to do w/ honoring whichever god you worship, but it's become so tied to ideas of sexual purity i dont think u can completely separate the two any more, but it's still a woman's choice to make whether she's a muslim and wears a hijab, or a christian/mormon/whatev who wears long skirts, or anything else really. at the end of the day the choice affects no one and nothing but the woman and her relationship to her god

however in places where a woman is forced to wear OR not to wear hijab or anything else like it...then ya thats wrong. like all that mess about the burkini in france??? that was gross

Ben

over 8 years

Christopherzilla says

What happens if an Islamic woman chooses not to wear one?

Even in 1st world countries not wearing it can get you ostracised from the community

cub

over 8 years

Christopherzilla says

What happens if an Islamic woman chooses not to wear one?

in an islamic state, death

cub

over 8 years

youre missing the one point op managed to make

they claim that it's their choice - which is valid. however, what it really means is that these women were most likely forced to wear the hijab since birth and have grown accustomed to it.

its the same concept as religious dogma, most religious people are just religious because thats whats been pounded into their heads their whole lives

i think there are studies showing that whether someone is religious or not depends entirely on how dogmatic their parents are, same thing applies

have you forgotten about muh intermulazed mitzogenie

Christopherzilla

over 8 years

What happens if an Islamic woman chooses not to wear one?