8 way Jan 2.0 cus of doc save (on the cop who won the CC). The Cop has a guilty. Do you lynch the guilty (due to possibly being lawyer), or NL?
Scenario 2:
6 way Jan 2.0. Cop has 2 innos on blues, doc is CC'ed. (the other person is uncc'ed ORC) Do you lynch in Doc CCs for autowin (if Lawyer is lynched) or do you NL because you fear MYLO (and end up in the exact same situation in 3 way but with no autowin).
Mafia have 0 reason to hit dzanek because cop has innos on both of them (which confirms the lawyer is CCIng doc). If the maf killed a blue, they would be in autoloss.
By NLing, you forced mafia to kill the real doc, which lead us to 3 way, which is the exact same 50/50 as in 6 way except now, we don't have a shot at autowin.
deletedover 8 years
Instead, you took the easy way out and lynched a blatant town simply because he was guiltied. In return, we got a 6 way mylo with two cc's, and the mafia buddying the town.
"autowin" it's the same thing. you lynched lawyer because he's confirmed and you're about to commit a 50-50 lynch in blues. just like if you would lynch in docs which is also 50-50 and then you get a confirmed lynch on one of the blue cc's... it's literally the same thing
deletedover 8 years
If we had no lynched, and the mafia decided to kill dzanek over you, it would literally confirm pranay as mafia because the nilla gets lawed. It would then be autowin for town because spotting wouldn't be able to cc doctor into autoloss. You don't understand that if we no lynched and they hit dzanek over you, it would have been town autowin.
Exactly, and I asked you to lynch whoever was scummier. If you believe that it's 50/50 either way (which you say it is and which I agree with you), then why would you pick the 50/50 without a chance for autowin when the chance for autowin is right there?
@Froce: Yes, exactly. 50/50 either way, but if you lynch right in the doctors, the cop gets a guaranteed report on the blues and you get autowin. By NLing, you get a 50/50 without the benefits of autowin.
Ideal, give it 3+ hours, you're literally the only one advocating for NL.
Can a player with more patience please explain to him why NL isn't optimal AT ALL? I've tried my best to explain it to him clearly, but he's clearly not going to listen and I think a more patient player can explain to him why NL is completely suboptimal.
now i see how this works out here but the hypothesis is completely redundant. it's the same thing if you nl or lynch in doc cc's. either way it's a 50-50 lynch and you just lynch whoever is scummier.
deletedover 8 years
literally this entire time, all you talked about were probabilities rather than the actions and behaviors of the players who were alive.
Lynch it. It is a ml, and if it is miller, mafia will more easy find the doctor that way. Besides chances are 50% to be lawyer. If we NL the cop may never find the other mafia.
4 way is allowed here because we still have 2 possible clears.
Scenario 2:
Lynch in docs duh. If you NL doctor will just die, and then cop.
Wait a few more hours and you will see no one agrees with you lmao. (These players voting for lynch both times were not in the game either.)
Can a player with more patience please explain to this kid why he's wrong? You don't need GY vision to know what the optimal decision is.
deletedover 8 years
You expected to be townread after the mafia buddied you and you lynched a blatant town, and then you resort to players in the graveyard to back you up. You're terribad and fail to look at situations from other point of views
You don't need GY vision to know what the optimal decision is. (And so far, you're literally the only one who wants to NL)
Yes, even if you're unsure of who the real doc is, you still lynch because if you lynch right, you guarantee autowin. 50/50 if you're completely unsure.
By NLing, you end up in 3 way with no new information without the chance for autowin.
deletedover 8 years
You prayed that the guilty vote would flip lawyer and it didn't, which isn't surprising considering the miller was obvious town. It was a total coinflip for you and that's what you depended on and we were put in a bad situation because of you. The only people agreeing with you were the ones who were DEAD and had GRAVEYARD VISION.
deletedover 8 years
Not a single opinion from the graveyard matters. Every one of them had graveyard vision which changes things tenfold. You say it was autowin if we lynched the lawyer, but nobody knew who was mafia in the doctors except for yourself. Pranay sheeped you and was scummy and was mafia, and you expected the town to townread you after you strongarmed a lynch on the obvious miller. You are embarrassingly stupid
but there's doc cc'es and you telling me the one cc'ing doc is a lawyer that appears guilty on cop report? this means they only need to nl and check in docs for auto win...
Come back in 12 hours and see that you literally advocated for the worst option both times and made suboptimal decisions that could have easily prevented a town loss when Jan 2.0 is practically a pointfarm for town.
What's frustrating is players like Ideal have all this bluster and confidence because the only setup in redhearts that people actually play (before they get to gold hearts) teaches players to fear MYLO, to be unwilling to take rational risks, and to have no knowledge on basic mechanics.
This is FP's fault more than anything, but Ideal, you are severely misguided. You're average at best. The reward for lynching lawyer in 8 way (when the guiltied miller has no choice but to call themselves miller) outweights the negatives attached to MYLO.
If you lynch in doctors and lynch the lawyer, cop can then check the blues again and guarantee autowin. If he checks inno, he lynches the other blue, if he checks mafia, they lynch the mafia.
If you NL, lawyer has no choice but to sack the doc, you go to 3 way, with the clear orc and you're in the exact same 50/50 except without potential autowin.
All the GY agreed, the cop said she wanted to lynch, but got scared cus you were trying to strongarm, and the one person who agreed with you was dzanek1134.
If you think your argument has relevance because superstar dzanek1134 is somehow more credible, keep believing yourself. :)
deletedover 8 years
You're the type of player who thrives off of probabilities rather than reading the actual player. Please take another long hiatus from this website
deletedover 8 years
Pathetically bad. The guilty is an obvious miller and potential clear. You no lynch. You fail to understand that in the 6 way, the only person defending you was the scummiest player alive at the time. You talk about mechanics, yet, the optimal move is to no lynch for a 7 way.
