Epicmafia

Heads Up

over 8 years

Hey folks, it's BearGuru here. I wanted to say some things to get them off of my chest. This does not in any way display the mod team's opinions as a whole, it is merely my opinion. Soon after I post this I will move the current active threads to the Mod Forums.

Regarding Sammie:

SHE is a human being as well, and everything you say that is offensive to transgendered people will be offensive to her.
Most of what is on the forums right now on this matter is sh!tposting, which is fine-- until it isn't. I fear we are approaching the line where it becomes hurtful, harmful, and damaging to not only Sammie but the community.
Epic Mafia moderators are not divine entities. So she is a mod. So what? So she gets to do reports and benefit the community. It helps with cheating investigations. Her being a moderator is irrelevent, she is mostly going to do the same thing she did as a role mod.
That being said, I do not think Sammie is going to be a good moderator for epicmafia in the long run. She is not a team player, but that is just my observation.

Regarding the Mod Team:

You have tried everything. You moved a thread that was hurtful to the mod forums, which was the correct call. When the community went into uproar, you just had to deal with it. The alternative was to let the damaging thread go on unmoderated, which is not doing your job.
Cody is a brand new admin. He is getting used to the job and for the community to surge against his decisions this early has to be demotivating. This site cannot survive if everybody in power is yelled at, called a child, and targeted.

Regarding me:

What I did earlier was crappy. I made hurtful comments that have affected people and really hurt them. I am sorry for what I did, and if that means stepping down as a Role Moderator I will do that.
Again, this is not the statement of me as a moderator, it is a statement from me as a person.

Regarding the Site:

Lucid owns the site. If anything needs to be done, you message him. If you disagree with something strongly enough, you message him. Do not take to the forums and spew publicly hurtful comments because all it does is make you look immature and hurt the person who is being targeted.
If you destroy anybody who comes into power, it will ruin the site. Very few people actually want to moderate the site, and that number is getting smaller every time something like this happens. Please think twice about whatever you are posting.

There you have it. I will be moving the other threads to mod forums shortly. Please engage in CIVIL discussion here. Have a good one.

Bear

deletedover 8 years

Yes I do. I was one of said people.

You have no idea what you are talking about and continue to prove it.

Lux

over 8 years

ppl: no one knows what really happened sooooo
empire: i was there.
ppl: ur taking it out of context, sooooo

BearGuru

over 8 years

Tsugumi says

BearGuru says

Sammie was a troll 5 years ago. A pastebin from that time with skype logs or whatnot is going to be from when she was a troll. She has spoken with us and given us her side of the story. I do not believe she was a pedophile, the logs were taken out of context.

Holy ignorance "out of context"

You have NO clue what you are talking about whatsoever. Absolutely none.

Here's a hint: Sammie is lying. Sammie lied about everything on the site the first 4 years they were on it, now they don't want to be associated with that but that requires telling one more lie. This is that lie. Sammie is not going to openly admit to you that she is still a pedophile. She is lying to you. Everyone who knew her at that time is in consensus that it was not trolling. Those logs weren't a one off joke, they were her repeated confessions to the closest thing she had to friends at the time.

Neither do you

deletedover 8 years

BearGuru says

Sammie was a troll 5 years ago. A pastebin from that time with skype logs or whatnot is going to be from when she was a troll. She has spoken with us and given us her side of the story. I do not believe she was a pedophile, the logs were taken out of context.

Holy ignorance "out of context"

You have NO clue what you are talking about whatsoever. Absolutely none.

Here's a hint: Sammie is lying. Sammie lied about everything on the site the first 4 years she was on it, now she doesn't want to be associated with that but that requires telling one more lie. This is that lie. Sammie is not going to openly admit to you that she is still a pedophile. She is lying to you. Everyone who knew her at that time is in consensus that it was not trolling. Those logs weren't a one off joke, they were her repeated confessions to the closest thing she had to friends at the time.

Lux

over 8 years

opinions opinions opinions

deletedover 8 years

Vancyon says

We didn't.

Cody certainly did.

leo

over 8 years

Harrold says

leo says

Harrold says

leo says

how much i hate mods pulling stuff from behind the scenes.

such as removing vios from their own account, harrold... i actually made a thread about that, dude.

I must have misinterpreted then. Sorry.

you're forgiven? but there was literally no reason to continue beating a dead horse, lmao. just ask next time.

xSoniaNeverMindx

over 8 years

I thought this was going to be about heads up seven up and now I'm honestly disappointed

IAmNotABC

over 8 years

I am angry because Role Mods should not be mods. They should have no power except to catch cheaters.

Harrold

over 8 years

leo says

Harrold says

leo says

how much i hate mods pulling stuff from behind the scenes.

such as removing vios from their own account, harrold... i actually made a thread about that, dude.

I must have misinterpreted then. Sorry.

leo

over 8 years

Harrold says

leo says

how much i hate mods pulling stuff from behind the scenes.

such as removing vios from their own account, harrold... i actually made a thread about that, dude.

Harrold

over 8 years

leo says

how much i hate mods pulling stuff from behind the scenes.

leo

over 8 years

i believe i've already stated that this case shouldn't count in being professional and uninvolved in the community. i never said anything about other mods being appointed?

Harrold

over 8 years

leo says

Harrold says

leo says

alright. i wish some of the mods would personally step up and say why they worried or approved of petri, but im fortunate enough just to get a reply.

thank you, bear, for admitting you messed up and reaching out.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure most of the mods didn't know about this.

it would still be nice to see what the mods who knew have to say. i've tried to make it pretty clear in the last year how much i hate mods pulling stuff from behind the scenes.

granted, announcing themselves would make a lot of people angry, so you can't really blame them.

As much as I appreciate you saying that, you do need to understand that mods are appointed because they are deemed reliable enough to make objective decisions which are good enough for the community. As much as you wish to be involved in plans before they are announced, in most cases, these decisions have been conducted by people who are otherwise reliable. I'm sorry if you feel this does not apply, but I always strive for professionalism when making community calls.

leo

over 8 years

Harrold says

leo says

alright. i wish some of the mods would personally step up and say why they worried or approved of petri, but im fortunate enough just to get a reply.

thank you, bear, for admitting you messed up and reaching out.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure most of the mods didn't know about this.

it would still be nice to see what the mods who knew have to say. i've tried to make it pretty clear in the last year how much i hate mods pulling stuff from behind the scenes.

granted, announcing themselves would make a lot of people angry, so you can't really blame them.

deletedover 8 years

Harrold says

leo says

alright. i wish some of the mods would personally step up and say why they worried or approved of petri, but im fortunate enough just to get a reply.

thank you, bear, for admitting you messed up and reaching out.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure most of the mods didn't know about this.

We didn't.

Harrold

over 8 years

leo says

alright. i wish some of the mods would personally step up and say why they worried or approved of petri, but im fortunate enough just to get a reply.

thank you, bear, for admitting you messed up and reaching out.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure most of the mods didn't know about this.

leo

over 8 years

IAmNotABC says

Role mods are not supposed to be Mods. Mods have powers. Role mods should have no powers. This system is broken.

go back to complaints.

IAmNotABC

over 8 years

Role mods are not supposed to be Mods. Mods have powers. Role mods should have no powers. This system is broken.

leo

over 8 years

alright. i wish some of the mods would personally step up and say why they worried or approved of petri, but im fortunate enough just to get a reply.

thank you, bear, for admitting you messed up and reaching out.

BearGuru

over 8 years

leo says

BearGuru says

leo says

BearGuru says

leo says

but some of the mods knew and didn't ask the community before promoting her

I don't think mods need to ask the community before they do things. Normal users are normal users and moderators are moderators.

i think it's different when the person in question is an alleged pedophile. this site does have minors, you know. promoting an alleged pedophile, whether they truly have power or not, can be seen as excusing their behavior.

Part of learning is making mistakes. I would be shocked if Cody did not learn something from this, and in the future I am sure things will be discussed in more depth

would that constitute for an apology? i believe the mod team owes it to anyone who saw 'pedophile mod' and instantly flipped due to the mod team attempting to ignore it.

I think it should, but I'm not Cody

leo

over 8 years

BearGuru says

leo says

BearGuru says

leo says

but some of the mods knew and didn't ask the community before promoting her

I don't think mods need to ask the community before they do things. Normal users are normal users and moderators are moderators.

i think it's different when the person in question is an alleged pedophile. this site does have minors, you know. promoting an alleged pedophile, whether they truly have power or not, can be seen as excusing their behavior.

Part of learning is making mistakes. I would be shocked if Cody did not learn something from this, and in the future I am sure things will be discussed in more depth

would that constitute for an apology? i believe the mod team owes it to anyone who saw 'pedophile mod' and instantly flipped due to the mod team attempting to ignore it.

BearGuru

over 8 years

leo says

BearGuru says

leo says

but some of the mods knew and didn't ask the community before promoting her

I don't think mods need to ask the community before they do things. Normal users are normal users and moderators are moderators.

i think it's different when the person in question is an alleged pedophile. this site does have minors, you know. promoting an alleged pedophile, whether they truly have power or not, can be seen as excusing their behavior.

Part of learning is making mistakes. I would be shocked if Cody did not learn something from this, and in the future I am sure things will be discussed in more depth

leo

over 8 years

BearGuru says

leo says

but some of the mods knew and didn't ask the community before promoting her

I don't think mods need to ask the community before they do things. Normal users are normal users and moderators are moderators.

i think it's different when the person in question is an alleged pedophile. this site does have minors, you know. promoting an alleged pedophile, whether they truly have power or not, can be seen as excusing their behavior.

BearGuru

over 8 years

leo says

but some of the mods knew and didn't ask the community before promoting her

I don't think mods need to ask the community before they do things. Normal users are normal users and moderators are moderators.