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over 8 years

a human right is anything which you are entitled to do within reason and without legal consequence

you're allowed to speak so long as you aren't inciting real threats of violence or disturbing the peace (e.g. shouting fire in a crowded theater). preventing someone from speaking within reason is violating their human right to free speech. likewise, you have a right to be gay or think you're a dolphin because it doesn't really affect anyone but you and any consenting parties. if it does, e.g. you go around grabbing crotches, you're overreaching your gay rights.

you are not entitled to someone else's goods or labor. healthcare is therefor not a human right just as food, which is more important, isn't either. you even have to pay for water which is a fundamental necessity for life. you're not entitled to an establishment's services. if they want to lose business, that's their bad idea and if you really want vindication just know they're losing money and bad at economics.

prove me wrong

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cub says

which is it, does the government decide what's a right or doesn't it? you can't hold some people legally accountable but exclude yourself, that's a double standard


Not sure what you mean. Government acknowledge rights, like in their constitution, or like the UN does on a larger scale. But specifically basic human rights exist outside of government.


cub says

and you can say speech is a human right because what's stopping you from speaking, but you'd probably also say life is a natural right, to which carnivores would have to disagree


No life is not a natural right, altough PETA might disagree. Talking specifically about humans having a right to life.




cub says

it's a right because it's protected. there are no inherent rights that you get for being alive. human rights doesn't just mean "rights for humans," it also means "rights by humans"


You're right in a sense, this kind of delves into political philosophy and definitions of human and what it means to be human. One could spend hours arguing what is and isn't a human right.
over 8 years
people would like to believe they're entitled to the product of someone else's labor but they aren't. people who have actually tried to build a life around this concept have failed because people are inherently selfish. see: jamestown
over 8 years

BaneofMafia says

I disagree with the second part of your definition of a human right. They should be defined by the entitlements that come with being human not based on legal consequence. Eg. It can be illegal to speak against your country, yet free speech is a human right.



BaneofMafia says

Any business, by virtue of being on governed soil and protected by government, has to play by the rules set forth by the governed.


which is it, does the government decide what's a right or doesn't it? you can't hold some people legally accountable but exclude yourself, that's a double standard

and you can say speech is a human right because what's stopping you from speaking, but you'd probably also say life is a natural right, to which carnivores would have to disagree

it's a right because it's protected. there are no inherent rights that you get for being alive. human rights doesn't just mean "rights for humans," it also means "rights by humans"
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I disagree with the second part of your definition of a human right. They should be defined by the entitlements that come with being human not based on legal consequence. Eg. It can be illegal to speak against your country, yet free speech is a human right.

Everyone has a right to a decent standard of living. That includes health, food, water and housing in the event they cannot provide for themselves like the poor, the handicapped and elderly( any of which we can become due to situation out of our control). Those things aren't infringing someone else's goods or labors but provided by the government. We choose to pay taxes for that.

Any business, by virtue of being on governed soil and protected by government, has to play by the rules set forth by the governed. If that includes anti-discrimination laws they have to abide by them. They are in place for a reason, to ensure people aren't discriminated against for race, religion, gender, etc. I'm not arguing this is a human right, rather a mandate to "play fair".

In your example, cub, its easy to dismiss one business as making a bad business decision. But imagine if half of the US decided not to serve weebs. That would be a huge violation of freedom and hinder the ability to trade for weebs or maintain their quality of life. Anti-discrimination laws protect us from that. So yes, I would argue you are entitled to an establishment's services by virtue of being human, lest you lose that privilege by stealing soda in those little ketchup cups.
over 8 years
It definitely is, controlling the population is also what's in the best interest for the survival of all beings and this planet^
over 8 years
sure, but i think that's a problem to be solved by declining birth rates, not rising mortality rates.
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suffering says

i believe basic survival necessities (yes, even water, shelter, and heat depending on where you live) should be a basic human right, though they are not always necessarily given. our goal as humans, as basic creatures, should ultimately be the survival of our race, right?


While a skewed view, would scaling down overpopulation also be in the best interested of the survival of our race? Just a thought.
over 8 years
i believe basic survival necessities (yes, even water, shelter, and heat depending on where you live) should be a basic human right, though they are not always necessarily given. our goal as humans, as basic creatures, should ultimately be the survival of our race, right?
over 8 years
Humans have no rights

Long live the lizard people
over 8 years

Golbolco says

I agree with cub pretty much. I think the only thing you you have the rights to are your body, mind, intellectual property, and any earthly possessions you've come to own whether by purchase or by inheritance.


yearly reminder "my body" isn't a synonym for "your services"

weighted language is intellectual cancer
over 8 years

sl0nderman says

why does everyone try to have a meaningful discussion on the worst site on the internet


i posted this thread in the spam forum, you don't really need to ponder how much i care
over 8 years
however rights only exist because a government enforces them, so political influence is an inherent right because otherwise you have tyranny
over 8 years

Christopherzilla says

Not everyone should have the right to vote, you should have to be able to pay a certain fee in order for your vote to count. This would stop all those poor people from ruining our elections.


honestly primaries are jokes because every commoner votes for any photogenic tool

caucuses are better because they're people who actually follow politics and don't just watch fox news and msnbc

the reason the united states is a republic democracy is because direct democracies are historically terrible ideas because the informed vote is the minority
over 8 years
P R E S E N T D A Y
over 8 years
Not everyone should have the right to vote, you should have to be able to pay a certain fee in order for your vote to count. This would stop all those poor people from ruining our elections.
over 8 years
C U R R E N T Y E A R
over 8 years
it is now, it's the 21st century fam
over 8 years
healthcare is not a human right
over 8 years
I should have exclusive bdsm rights over everyone.

Especially Chris.
over 8 years
I agree with cub pretty much. I think the only thing you you have the rights to are your body, mind, intellectual property, and any earthly possessions you've come to own whether by purchase or by inheritance.
over 8 years
c-cub senpai noticed my dolphin ways
over 8 years
unconditional basic income is my favorite human right
over 8 years
why does everyone try to have a meaningful discussion on the worst site on the internet
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do me next
over 8 years
I didn't read this all but after seeing "you are not entitled to.." my thoughts are raise your standards