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Here is a question I want to ask you all because every side to this question intrigues me a lot:

Why do you believe in God or why don't you believe in God?

Do you think religion in general is good or bad for a single society? Humanity?

Do you find people who believe in God to be hopeful? Misinformed?

If you don't believe in God, what is at the end of this wacky world? Nothing? Something else rather than Heaven or Hell or Limbo?

I am seriously intrigued by this and would like to know what you all think.

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Is it wrong for someone to turn to religion for a sense of comfort, then?
over 8 years
Is R*pe Just A Subset of Physical Assault?
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hmm
i was raised into it, but i still play on this site. life is strange.
over 8 years

Fam says


Superman says


Blister says

we decided pretty early on that for society to function and prosper we can't go around killing everyone and doing whatever we wanted


We all happened to agree that murder, r*ape, robbery, fraud, infidelity etc are wrong? How did we all happen to agree?


Because humans work best as a pack and doing those things is not beneficial as a whole just to yourself


The advancement of self is all, darwin said, that is necessary.
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Superman says


Fam says


Superman says


Satan says

religion doesn't create morality lol


I agree. So where does it come from?


Nature is going to teach us not to wrong our own kind even the most primal animals dont go out of their way to harm their own kind. But religion/culture does instill some morality into us its why Christians argue about homosexuality or some people feel guilty watching p*rn or why some societies thought it was ok to sacrifice people.


But if you dictate by nature, isn't r*ape just forcible copulation? You're trying to pass on your line. There's nothing /wrong/ with it?


R*pe doesnt ensure that the most suitable male is picked to breed we'd be unintelligent animals if that was the case
over 8 years
People think homosexuality is wrong because there is no passage of genes there, unless u use surrogacy.

funny enough the people against homosexuality are the ppl u dont want to reproduce.
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From says

I believe God does not exist, but there is power in people getting together to believe in something. It makes people healthy to believe in the supernatural with others.


It's better for people to get together over a belief that makes sense, don't you think? Or an interest that is accepted as such? I understand what you mean but I think escapism shouldn't be thought of as GOOD.


rutab says

Question for those who believe there is nothing:

What is your motivation to live, or do well in life?


This is obviously whatever you make of it at any given time. I want my life to have meaning; I want to solve, find, or create something no one else could before me that is "great" or revolutionary or something, but it's just that vague because I'm not anywhere near such a point in my life yet and I don't even know what field I want to devote it to! In the meantime, I want to live my life as intelligently and morally as possible, and make other people happy when I can, whilst also working on changing the major flaws I'm aware of in myself and balancing happiness out with progress and learning. Not succeeding at any of that at the moment, but hey, it IS a meaning!

Whatever you want to be the point of your existence is the point of your existence, and I think that can still hold true if you believe in a God looking down on you. Some people seek fulfillment through achieving a way to support themselves and live a happy life, and some want friends and family or romance to sate them; lots of people have specific interests that they can work on improving; and there are times when everyone can't afford to think about any of this, because their life is in shambles and they have to focus on the obvious path forwards and hope it takes a turn for the better.

I wrote all that because I'm being nihilist lately and I need to convince myself too so I'm sorry that it's another tl;dr
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Superman says


Blister says

we decided pretty early on that for society to function and prosper we can't go around killing everyone and doing whatever we wanted


We all happened to agree that murder, r*ape, robbery, fraud, infidelity etc are wrong? How did we all happen to agree?


Because humans work best as a pack and doing those things is not beneficial as a whole just to yourself
over 8 years

Fam says


Superman says


Satan says

religion doesn't create morality lol


I agree. So where does it come from?


Nature is going to teach us not to wrong our own kind even the most primal animals dont go out of their way to harm their own kind. But religion/culture does instill some morality into us its why Christians argue about homosexuality or some people feel guilty watching p*rn or why some societies thought it was ok to sacrifice people.


But if you dictate by nature, isn't r*ape just forcible copulation? You're trying to pass on your line. There's nothing /wrong/ with it?
over 8 years

Blister says

we decided pretty early on that for society to function and prosper we can't go around killing everyone and doing whatever we wanted


We all happened to agree that murder, r*ape, robbery, fraud, infidelity etc are wrong? How did we all happen to agree?
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Superman says


Satan says

religion doesn't create morality lol


I agree. So where does it come from?


Nature is going to teach us not to wrong our own kind even the most primal animals dont go out of their way to harm their own kind. But religion/culture does instill some morality into us its why Christians argue about homosexuality or some people feel guilty watching p*rn or why some societies thought it was ok to sacrifice people.
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Religion definitely does not create morality for everyone, but for a lot of people I think it does.
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we decided pretty early on that for society to function and prosper we can't go around killing everyone and doing whatever we wanted
over 8 years
i don't have issues with anyone following a certain religion.

i do have issues with people who try to force their beliefs onto other people.

yeah, i believe there's a god. that's all i'll say.
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Superman says


Satan says

religion doesn't create morality lol


I agree. So where does it come from?


it comes from us
over 8 years

Satan says

religion doesn't create morality lol


I agree. So where does it come from?
over 8 years
improbable

bad. bad

ignorance is privilege

inconceivable
over 8 years

rutab says


Superman says

Have you ever wondered how we know that murder, , robbery, fraud, infidelity, etc are morally wrong


Is that religion or collective conscience?

Technically, religion is a collective conscience in itself, but let's speak as if they're independent.


I'm simply saying we know these things are wrong. We even legislate against them. But all of them are to our Darwinistic advantage. If there is no God, there is no moral standard by which moral values can be grounded. So how do we know they're wrong?
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rutab says

Question for those who believe there is nothing:

What is your motivation to live, or do well in life?


i think totally mastering a particular skill or activity, then creation, is the apex of the human experience
over 8 years
religion doesn't create morality lol
over 8 years
You dont have to be religious to have a sense of wrong or right...i think
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No, I don't believe that there exists an omniscient, all-loving paternal figure that modeled men in his image, women for the men, and all other animals for humans, who feels "sad" about all humans who don't worship him. I don't think I'd ever believe in any man-made religions regardless of how toned-down their preachings were.

Is it possible there's a higher plane of existence that could be thought of as the creator of the known universe? IDK; we as a species don't know everything, and I'm not even in college yet.

I think religion is bad for humanity. People shouldn't feel like they're doing the right thing by "living simply" and not questioning things, and I think religion is just another way for immoral ppl to exploit to manipulate others out of greed, and helps ppl forge excuses for objectively "bad" things, like unnecessary killing.

I don't think it's worth trying to change an individual who truly needs that illusion -- as I view it, that is -- to feel comfortable with life.

Are they misinformed? Well, in the sense that FAIK religions are passed through tradition so I'd say misinformed is kind of implied since I disagree, but I don't like making generalizations about entire groups of people except when they're concomitant with the nature of the group in relation to my perspective, like that one, and even that could be me overlooking corner cases.

I don't know what happens after death, but I don't have a significant reason to believe there's an afterlife. It sure would be nice to think there were, though. I did hear that people with near-death experiences claimed to have the sensation of being floating above their bodies or something, but I haven't actually read about the phenomenon or what would probably cause it and it's no basis for such wild fantasies.

tl;dr: no

Hope this post wasn't too cringeworthy. It's hard not to be when you're a self-absorbed teenager rambling about things w/o first researching 'em more.
(yet2read past p.1)
over 8 years

MaximumPayne says

why would there be a reason to have faith in something AFTER you die? and how do know that this isnt the last stop, or that this is just the beginning of your life?


No one knows if death is or isnt the end...I have faith there is an afterlife...if there is no afterlife then we get to experience the nothing of death...or maybe the cycle begins again?
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if you're going to pull up a "morality is relative" argument you should wait until sgr comes online again
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Superman says

Have you ever wondered how we know that murder, , robbery, fraud, infidelity, etc are morally wrong


Is that religion or collective conscience?

Technically, religion is a collective conscience in itself, but let's speak as if they're independent.