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noob guide to reading ingame

over 8 years

INTRODUCTION -- THIS ISN'T A NOOB GUIDE AT ALL

  1. This thread is not meant for everyone.

  2. Some ppl are perceptually and cognitively impaired.

  3. These ppl are better off towntelling and getting carried.

This thread is a method for reading ingame that challenges how most ppl play. This isn't a "noob guide," this is how my tryhard (hyper focused) games are played. In effect it explains how to toggle GOD MODE -- the feeling you get when playing at such a high level


LESSON #1

SKILL CAP

Competitive mafia has a very high skill cap. It is f'ucking absurdly high. And there are tiers that players get stuck at without realizing. For instance a player can reach his individual skill cap, but he's still a mid-tier player. He's just a dumb guy. A good example is Mikeyru. He will stay average just like 75-85% of ppl unless he adapts and learns from pros. Pros have a skill cap with a very high ceiling (the top tier). They adapted by either experience or by being taught. In this tier you can solo win games. Pranay can do this, but so could groundhogday (ian).

Both players are top tier while one is clearly better than the other. The skill cap is so high that a player like pranay -- who looks at every possible angle to win a game and is able to skimread mafia (explained later) -- can compare with a player like groundhogday -- who rarely misreads mafia.


LESSON #2

DON'T BE A BOT

Most of you read literally word for word and see lines only at face value. This is basic, and bots are content reading lines this way because it's easy. These are the same players who ask useless questions in a TvT scenario. The answer is obvious and is not important to the game. No scumhunting is really done. The mind isn't challenged, the bot never learns.

Examples of bots:

  • you know how they say 'slip' when someone typos,
  • or how 'vets' point out actual slips and get fos'd by bots who are unable to grasp it,
  • or how ppl feel lost and cant keep up with the pace of the game,
  • or when you feel intimidated as you realize a superior player is bullying you
  • or the town of bots who must play a setup a certain way and is incapable of change

Read on.


LESSON #3

SKIM READING

Here is how to read quickly and efficiently in a fast paced game:

  • Practice reading an entire line all at once. This is called scan or skim reading.
  • With practice you should be able to see the whole line without reading word for word.
  • You shouldn't hear each word sounded out in your head.
  • Your brain is able to process an entire line at once because you can view it as an image.
  • After awhile its easier to recognize certain lines that players use and you can read them at a glance.

Now after you get good at the above, you should be thinking about what's behind the line (intent or motive). There is a thought process behind everything. You can skim read and find motive/intent simultaneously. Then you can jump to a conclusion which means you have an almost instant read on someone which you can change anytime. Because once you push them you will know if they're mafia

Mafia can be found with just one or a few lines this way. But the game becomes more annoying for everyone because it's a pranay mindset where you stick on a read for an easy maf. Heres an example of a snapread that will be correct more often than not.

  • vilden dies as doc after softing a save on soda
  • jared23's first 4 lines show he knew doctor over night
  • sometimes town will do that, so pushing them will give info

LESSON #4

INTENT VS NO INTENT

Most people understand this as filler, but they also use it incorrectly. What's more annoying is I've noticed most people ignore filler as a basis to scumread someone. This is because so many noobs call out "hes fillering" with no understanding of what it is or how to elaborate on it. Filler is a legit pattern in mafia play. If you stick to this, you will hammer mafia more often than not.

Scenario 1- No Intent

  • Assume oracle claims in jan2.0 right at the start of d1
  • Then someone says "why did you claim"

There is no reason or motive to ask that question. The orc has already claimed. It was said just to look towny and is a filler. 9/10 times this is a mafia line and the most experienced players will say it

Scenario 2- Intent

  • Assume the person says "why did you claim so early" or "why claim orc"
  • This is different. There is motive which shows actual confusion -- could be town or real orc hiding.
  • "why would you claim orc" means "you may be something else, why did you claim orc" so it's not the same (and it's not filler)
over 8 years

mandevian says

even if you get angry, you won't ask why they claimed. Because it is moot. However, girls still feel the need to ask these absolutely stupid questions even as town.






Agreed, girls ask stupid questions. I really hope your wife enjoyed playing your hearts for you on your account! ^_~
deletedover 8 years
jokes on u, ur just too low tier to understand that ur also bad, only i have reached self actualization and enlightenment
over 8 years

mandevian says

I turn it down. I propose we play a game of poker.


https://epicmafia.com/game/5163395?password=8021405dafbf2567929668791234699b0d0228bd
over 8 years
I turn it down. I propose we play a game of poker.
deletedover 8 years
I don't see the point of this post. Just count the number of ?'s someone has said and the ones with the most are probably the mafia.
over 8 years
the duel is whoever send their database first wins
over 8 years
on an irrelevant note i don't get the role-swapping-as-gunsmith strategy that people adopt in fancy pants games, can some guru explain it to me in human language?
over 8 years
Send your mom and I'll send my db. If you are afraid of duelling with me then it means you consider yourself inferior than me in everything that exists. Pick anything. Any game. Any thing you want. Doesn't have to be a game.
over 8 years
people who complain about clears outing should be lynched regardless of alignment unless they're a cc
over 8 years
send me your database and i'll do it
over 8 years
you dont have to cry about it
over 8 years
Else I propose we duel for it. You pick the arrangement. Whoever loses, changes their avi. If you pick something unacceptable, then I will pick something and you can decide whether to accept or not. It goes on until we both agree on something.
over 8 years

yoyo200900 says

mine is different to yours


But it doesn't look different to others or to me. So change it.
over 8 years
even if you get angry, you won't ask why they claimed. Because it is moot. However, girls still feel the need to ask these absolutely stupid questions even as town.
over 8 years
I think that as town you would get angry if a PR claimed that wasn't supposed to, whose claim is suboptimal. For example: occasionally cop will out his report in BV and 3 people will react "omg you're not supposed to out your report!!" Surely they can't all be mafia.

I think it's natural for town to get annoyed for someone else's subopimal play, and react accordingly. Thus it is a town tell by nature.

Experienced players are simply able to fake these town tells, mimic town behavior, and adapt to what the general meta is for town play.

Rather than focusing on these events, it's better to find genuine town tells that cannot be faked, or slips.

Decent wall of text nonetheless @vilden! It might give some new perspective to players who can't get out of their rut.
deletedover 8 years

WildWhale says

Lesson 4:

If someone says "Why did you claim" they are 90% mafia? LOOL I WANT STATISTICS.

Also apparently saying "why did you claim orc" makes them town.


Actually I find this to be true a lot. Mafia usually freaks and reacts to a claim
over 8 years
mine is different to yours
over 8 years
Change your avi dude. I got this first. Do it as a courtesy
over 8 years
Higher people hear of the Tao
They diligently practice it
Average people hear of the Tao
They sometimes keep it and sometimes lose it
Lower people hear of the Tao
They laugh loudly at it
If they do not laugh, it would not be the Tao
over 8 years
People like whale never get it
over 8 years

WildWhale says

Lesson 4:

If someone says "Why did you claim" they are 90% mafia? LOOL I WANT STATISTICS.

Also apparently saying "why did you claim orc" makes them town.


This thread is not meant for everyone.
Some ppl are perceptually and cognitively impaired.
These ppl are better off towntelling and getting carried.
over 8 years

vilden says

guide on being a pretend girl https://epicmafia.com/topic/74287


now that's an actual guide
over 8 years
Lesson 4:

If someone says "Why did you claim" they are 90% mafia? LOOL I WANT STATISTICS.

Also apparently saying "why did you claim orc" makes them town.
over 8 years
Also how is Lesson #1 even a lesson? All you are saying is good players are better than bad players. And not all good players are equal.

Well no sh1t sherlock.
over 8 years
Sorry but how is skim-reading a mafia strat...

Speed-reading literally just lets you read things faster...

Its not a method of scumhunting.