Ranked in Sandbox isn't smart, not because blablabla sandbox is for "relaxed" play but more so because most people who play in Sandbox don't know ranked setups. I guarantee if I were to start a game of VDLI in here nobody would know how to play it.

I personally would love a Sandbox competition, but I fear it'd be a very tight competition with strict rules since Sandbox isn't considered a private lobby.

i'm really excited for all these mason werewolf chef games

honestly i think im better than you because i have fewer points

tbh if people want to stroke their ego by getting points they should go to main lobby.instead. Each lobby offers different things and sandbox was popular because of it's 12P closed set-up.The people wanting changes are tbh only thinking about the good things which are yay I can be more egoistical because I have more points than you in sandbox!

i played ranked game in sandbox... it was good.

Moon if you would like that possibility than you are obviously welcome to go to lucid with it! I think it is a good idea as well. For sandbox only most likely though. Sl0nder is only saying that it currently is an unavailable feature on the site, not that it can never happen.

i never said it was to be avoided. don't put words in my mouth, that's for other things

When in history has debate been a thing to avoid?

sl0nderman says

Changing this would require a lot of debate and actually contacting lucid with ideas.

hurr i'm moonunit and i can't read hurrr

The imagination is not limited by what the site currently does and not does not allow, sl0nderman. You know this!

If you are convinced that the only changes ever made to the site will be superficial changes (the fluid 'ownership' of sandbox, lobby polls, etc.) then I officially invite you over to the more exciting camp.

It is impossible to play a closed roles setup as ranked because the site does not allow it.

You can't because you can't? That sounds circular to me, and it represents the straight-jacketed position that I am referring to.

>Am I really the only one who really wants to see what would happen if we opened up 12 player random setups to the element of competition?

You can't, since closed roles setups can't be played ranked. Changing this would require a lot of debate and actually contacting lucid with ideas.

@Maxog Yes, but what if you want to play sandbox SETUPS in an atmosphere other than the one you just described?

The way things are now is problematic because there seems to be no middle ground.

Honestly defeats the whole purpose of sandbox lobby. Ranked games go in main. Sandbox is where people go to troll, suicide, have fun, and just generally not give a shít.

don't worry guys. any more harshness from peach and i'll just have to report her for mod abuse. i don't like to do this, but she's pushing me over the line

that's probably peach's d*ck cheese

How the hell did Peach's downvote count as 10? I smell foul play.

oh man, censorship in a legit discussion... fun times.

peach says

yep you're the only one

speak for yourself. i would LOVE to see this feature implemented. my toes are tingling just thinking about the possibility of a sandbox competition.

Just one question for all the naysayers: are the people playing ranked in Sandbox harming your unranked games?

yep you're the only one

Am I really the only one who really wants to see what would happen if we opened up 12 player random setups to the element of competition?

Everyone seems so bent on preserving the Sandbox / Main dichotomy, which is one of the most poisonous aspects of the site in my opinion. It results in being reported for not playing by the textbook in main, and it results in a '>trying' mentality in sandbox.

Some may argue that sandbox was meant to be free from competition, but does that really mean we have to keep all emergent sandbox elements separate from competition?

I hope we can break out of the straight-jacket soon. There are a lot of cool things that could happen.

yeah as much as i want to say i won a sandbox trophy this is not going to work out well