Epicmafia

Is it GT?

deletedalmost 9 years

this is a thread where I'd like you to debate about which of these scenario's are GT and which are not.

Scenario one: naked enforcer- villager- clear celeb - mafia claims blue - gunsmith

town lynches the naked enforcer and gs guns in one of the blue claims (that he trs) and ends up gunning the mafia. did gs GT?

Scenario two: naked enforcer - villager - clear celeb - mafia claiming blue - cop with report on dead

everyone votes the naked enforcer and cop has report dead but makes up a guilty report on one of the blues (that he foses) and he ends up guiltying the blue. did cop GT?

Scenario three: orc - mafia - miller - 2 blues - cop with guilty report on mafia - enforcer

enforcer ccs cop and ends up getting lynched, mafia kill cop at night, blue gets lynched and now it's night time with mafia/orc/blue/miller left. if mafia kills in blues there is a 50% change he kills the miller and that means autolose and if mafia kills the orc, there is a 2/3 chance of autolose so mafia decides to nk and town nls until meteor hits and no one wins. did mafia GT?

Iceaac

almost 9 years

1- no as gs simply decided to place the game in his own hands.

2- this one's iffy as cop is in a similar position as the gunsmith and is ultimately taking the game into his hands, idk, i wouldnt consider it GT

3- yes, mafia could kill without being placed in auto loss. so this is risky but would be GT if mafia let the meteor go through. though this situation shouldnt come up in any well-designed setup

deletedalmost 9 years

also plz down vote Jaleb's strategy on Jan2, it's the third scenario basically: https://epicmafia.com/setup/132122

deletedalmost 9 years

thank you, is that why they changed this to no vio then? because it was basically scenario 2 https://epicmafia.com/report/168029

Uranus

almost 9 years

Elaborating on 1 and 2; using your power role to hammer a day you're not going to be alive by faking reports or whatnot is never GT unless you're trying to give the win to mafia. It is often bad play though.

Anthony

almost 9 years

1. no
2. arguably, but he would have just ended up hammering his fos anyway. to avoid any confusion cop should probably retract and then lynch his fos anyway.
3. yes, he was not in autoloss.

Uranus

almost 9 years

For 1 and 2, no. There's no intent to throw there.

For 3, yes. Even if killing could have put him in autoloss, he would of at least had a chance. Forcing meteor only increased his chances of losing to 100%, thus he GT'd.