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PSA on Selfing for the Clear

deletedalmost 9 years

Hello everyone, I'm Tatami, and you should never self for the clear.

Here is why:

Pros of selfvoting for the clear:

-The clear gets to pick the lynch

-Any reports the clear may have can stay hidden

-Can avoid getting a claim from the lynch

-Can't be blitzed by kick until timer is down

Cons of selfvoting for the clear:

-Virtually no discussion/information and therefore nothing to read off of

-"Can avoid getting a claim from the lynch" isn't really a pro because you should ask for one anyway and if you don't you get your PR lynched for no information

Instead, the clear should lead a lynch, giving flexibility for others to vote how they want until crunchtime:

Pros of the clear leading:

-The clear gets to pick the lynch

-Any reports the clear may have can stay hidden

-Extreme amount of information, discussion, and deliberation

Cons of the clear leading:

-Can result in claims

-Can be blitzed by kick

Where do these two lists leave us?

Selfing for the clear is across the board worse than the clear leading a lynch. The advantages it has-avoiding asking for a claim, less vulnerable to kicks, are not true strengths. Getting claims is fundamentally a good thing and you should be getting it even if there are selfs up. The kicks are fine, both for information, and for the fact that the alternative (clear hammering) means the lynch would have gone through if they got selfs instead of kicks anyway. The blitz, therefore, did no harm-and it, just like the selfs, can only happen after the timer is down.

There are no advantages to selfing instead of letting the clear lead. You get a ton of information out of it, which is extremely valuable, and the cons are ones you get with selfvotes anyway.

Please, please, stop selfvoting for the clear. Have them lead instead.

deletedalmost 9 years
I remember when me and abe wouldnt vote for the clear
Burial
almost 9 years
doesnt really matter when youre in a lobby with bad players because they will never think for themselves and just vote with the clear
Sims
almost 9 years
thank you tatami (:
deletedalmost 9 years
the biggest con you excluded for leading is that any noob mafia can say "ok lynch me im just a blue" and they're hard town-read for the entire game
deletedalmost 9 years
some of the best reactions you can get are from people getting bandwagonned
Epididymis
almost 9 years
this thread is spot on true, i never self for the clear unless i don't feel like putting in effort into the game. i still demand self votes when im clear because im smug like that.
UniversalStudios
almost 9 years
I like the part where the sheep you're trying to preach this to will never read it, never adopt a new playstyle, and will continue to seek simple wins by staying with the status quo.