Epicmafia

No One Plays Classic Anymore

deletedover 9 years

This... website. The amount of numbers are going to fall.

Why?

Many reasons.

The first being the over sensitive attitude of the mod team. Which was directly influenced by Dr. Lucid.

Second being the collapse of sandbox.

Obviously Christopherzilla was the only personality holding it up. It has since decayed into a circlejerk not unlike any other custom lobby, and if not for the prodigious following Christopherzilla had built up, would be dead already if it weren't for the influx of DanganMafia rejects who flooded Sandbbox after the Dangan lobby collapsed under its own spastication.

The Third issue

Where is new traffic going to come from?

Where is this site advertised? Why would anyone new come here?

Town of Salem has taken all the elements of Mafia and streamlined them. Mainstreamed them. It's currently a game on Steam.

This is still a free browser game. It's revenue is based on ads. It's based on visitors. It's based on accidental clicks on those ads.

I turn my adblock off for this site, and this site only.

Even though... I know this website is dying. I can feel it in every game that would have filled instantly this time two years ago. I feel it every time a game of classic mafia doesnt fill. I feel it every time a 12 player game in Sandbox doesn't fill.

Sitting in those 12 player games in Sandbox reminds me how it was like in Comp lobby waiting for a game to fill, sure, if you waited a while they'd fill. But one day... They didn't. Then they didn't fill day after. Or the day after that.

You know why those comp games never filled?

Arrogance. Arrogance and cheating. People who played in "Comp" lobby saw themselves above everyone else, which was anyone who either played unranked or classic. The "pros" from Comp chastised anyone who wandered into their sacred circlejerk of professional mafia.

Anyone who fell in to their trap would find themselves lynched immediately, and if they were town screams of "BUT OMG THEY WERE SO SCUMMY", and of course if they were actually mafia, "OMFG THEY WERE SO OBVIOUS WHAT A NUB!" followed.

The death of the "Main Lobby" will be more subtle, but ultimately similar.

At first gold heart games will stop filling, because people will recognise that overly competitive people populate these games, and they do not welcome newcomers.

Like it is now, creating a game of "classic", (which used to be the most popular setup and the one which had the fundamentals of every other setup), these will not fill. People expect Call Of Duty in their browser games. Not to pit their wits against fellow human beings, they expect those wits to be used agressively, not inquisitively. They prefer the obvious to the subtle. They prefer... "fancy pants " to classic.

No one plays classic anymore...

This is why the numbers will fall. This is why people won't hang around. This is why people won't care. No one plays classic anymore.

You can't play BV in real life. You cant adequately ensure Jan 2.0 can be played in real life. VDLI in real. life. would be a guessing game.

All of these "competitive" setups that people talk about, mean absolutely nothing without a grounding in the fundamentals of mafia. In the idea of the informed versus the uninformed.

The select few versus the overall knowing.

That is what this game used to be about.

There were no cops, no docs, no prs of any sort.

A pure scumhunt.

Using visual and bodily reactions, as well as interpersonal interactions and accusations.

The second half we are used to. The interactions between members of a team, the bussing as we call it, chainsawing when they're town...

We Use so many nouns and verbs to describe what we do. "Bussing" "Chainsawing" et cetera et cetera

And yes, it could be argued that this online version has an nth% of the uninformed uncovering the informed[uninformed]town uncovering the[mafia]... but you'll never know. You'll never know if you were a "scumhunter" or if you were just lucky. Think of all of the hammers you've ever made that weren't mechanically confirmed. How many did you get right, and how many did you get wrong. How many of those were a 50/50 hammer. How often did you congratulate yourself for getting it right? How often did you rue the mishammer?

Therein lies the predicament, was it based on "scumhunting" or was it purely chance. Our ego would lead us to believe the former, but probability would lead us to the latter.

If this website is to survive it must go back to basics. Games of "classic mafia" must supercede "fancy pants". "FancyPants" is ultimately based on probability and intangibility.

What this community needs, and I say community instead of website because without the community there is no website, is a classic competition.

A competition purely composed of games of classic mafia. Naysayers will say "it's too easy to cheat" and etc but no setup in this quick online forum has proven itself uncheatable. There are mods who can attest to this, a lot of them having been cheaters in other setups. And if anything, in such a simple competition involving such a simple game of classic mafia, how could these mods not catch someone who was bending the rules?

Classic Mafia started this website.

It's my hope that Classic Mafia will save this website/

jacob404

over 9 years

petition to make all comp lobbies require webcam

SirSlick

over 9 years

tbh classic is somewhat lame but i imagine playing it with a webcam would get it infinitely better

deletedover 9 years

i never seen it. guess i found out about mafia to late

deletedover 9 years

aladrew says

This site will not die. the reason is... when you search for mafia/werewolf online. This is the result and its the best result, this is what I found after scanning the internet for AGES and this is the only place to do it this good

whirled was a better werewolf site than this, back in that time.

deletedover 9 years

also fancy pants is 1 million times better than classic

deletedover 9 years

This site will not die. the reason is... when you search for mafia/werewolf online. This is the result and its the best result, this is what I found after scanning the internet for AGES and this is the only place to do it this good

Hunt

over 9 years

If you think this is dying then why do you care? Just go to town of tool. The fact that you don't want this to die means you either care about lucid's income sources more than lucid does or you like this site very much. This site will never die. A site that has so many people trying to hack accounts, is obviously the most sought after.

Zhuorb

over 9 years

It's already happened, I made like 12 games of BV yesterday, and they barely reached 3 players. This was over a span of 6 hours

deletedover 9 years

3 blue 2 vanilla 1 cop 1 doc is legitimately and objectively the best setup there is.

Froce

over 9 years

Scumboodler says

Froce says

the solution to this is to just make a beginner lobby with both classic and fancy pants as a side dish, for all newbies to linger in. a place filled with guides and strategies, so they can all excel those basic, basic setups.

Bruh,

Replace beginner with training and that is literally how it used to be.

no, main lobby would not be equivalent to competitive again.

main would include all setups but just with no FP or classic and also include the competition every round it's just beginner lobby that's limited.

deletedover 9 years

Froce says

the solution to this is to just make a beginner lobby with both classic and fancy pants as a side dish, for all newbies to linger in. a place filled with guides and strategies, so they can all excel those basic, basic setups.

Bruh,

Replace beginner with training and that is literally how it used to be.

deletedover 9 years

Stragger says

I think people can live without the mafia setup equivalent to McDonalds just fine

Classic contains all of the basics the game. It's the healthy meat and veg of setups, FP is McDonalds.

AdrenalineMime

over 9 years

if cm is mcdonalds then fp is ___fill in the blank____

deletedover 9 years

I think people can live without the mafia setup equivalent to McDonalds just fine

Satan

over 9 years

lmfao

Devante

over 9 years

Scumboodler says

justrec, I wish there was a tl;dr for your life

It would probably be;
a)shitpost
b)receive no acknowledgement of said shitpost
c)die

You are posthumously welcome.

Scum on left justrec on right

Froce

over 9 years

what a coincidence! just spent hours writing this new classic mafia guide which connects both to the new player and the veteran. classic is definitely not dead buddy!

reason people aren't playing classic is because fancy pants is the dominant setup. it's played twice as much as any other, and more than all comp games in a round combined in that period. the solution to this is to just make a beginner lobby with both classic and fancy pants as a side dish, for all newbies to linger in. a place filled with guides and strategies, so they can all excel those basic, basic setups.

not sure how classic will save the site or anything, that really doesn't make sense. classic is actually more follow the leader than most setups. it's simple, that's why it's good for beginners. i've said it before. newcomers shouldn't learn on party setups and whatever the heck people host for fun, they should learn how to actually play by experiencing and excelling classic. so after that they can move to more complex games.

and this site gets visitors because it's literally one of the first few search results in google if you type in "mafia game online" or such thing.

deletedover 9 years

PSA:

This thread will die and no one will care

Just like by the time this website dies, no one will care

keri

over 9 years

i host anime anon classic maf you should join

deletedover 9 years

I came back and didn't even know what fancy pants was. I have no idea how it came to be the most currently played setup.

All I know is that there wasn't really very much wrong with classic. And fancy pants needs to be played a lot less/people need to branch out more to good setups.

deletedover 9 years

there is a game called kira online where it's
1) kawaii
2) kawaii avatars
3) epic mafia but kawaii

Pavoneo

over 9 years

Scumboodler says

justrec, I wish there was a tl;dr for your life

It would probably be;
a)shitpost
b)receive no acknowledgement of said shitpost
c)die

You are posthumously welcome.

10/10

On topic, DailyMafia is still the best site for this sort of thing

deletedover 9 years

justrec, I wish there was a tl;dr for your life

It would probably be;
a)shitpost
b)receive no acknowledgement of said shitpost
c)die

You are posthumously welcome.

bernin

over 9 years

"You'll never know if you were a "scumhunter" or if you were just lucky. Think of all of the hammers you've ever made that weren't mechanically confirmed. How many did you get right, and how many did you get wrong. How many of those were a 50/50 hammer. How often did you congratulate yourself for getting it right? How often did you rue the mishammer?

Therein lies the predicament, was it based on "scumhunting" or was it purely chance. Our ego would lead us to believe the former, but probability would lead us to the latter."

I've often thought about this. Anyways agree with the bit on classic mafia I think it captures the basics of the game in a way FP doesn't. The direct cop cc d1 was always intense.

justrec

over 9 years

tl;dr,who cares

this post is welcome to upvotes