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Hollywood Illusions

about 9 years

Can this setup be blacklisted from comp.

First of all, it was never intended for comp, it's a setup that does not promote pure mafia. Rather it promotes the great strategy of doing absolutely nothing while the illusionist makes up their mind on who to shoot, which then comes up with the strategy for mafia to just purely waste town's time as well, which is quite frustrating whenever that does happen.

Putting that aside, it's played incorrectly. There is not one viable reason to nl d1. Yet despite this, players will refuse to play the setup the right way. I've played this setup countless times, so I think I should know how the setup is best played. Mafia are close to invulnerable d2, but very weak on d1, along with not knowing partners, and inability to use their gun without confirming a mafia. I've played enough games using the lynching d1 strategy with competent players that know how the setup is played, and while yes you can out some prs, you mislynch a fair amount of the time still, the benefits still far outweigh the disadvantages of playing this way.

So problem that nobody plays the setup correctly. And there is no move towards it being played correctly. Anyone who does has just got frustrated and stopped playing completely.

Also the games are absolutely disgusting, I swear the only scumhunting that ever gets done is based on act codes. I just had a game where 3 idiots assumed that actress had to be one of the two people who talked, that was the only read they came up with all game, I said they were idiots and that they were wrong on both counts, yet bleeder shoots obvious town and oh they were wrong? So their other read must be right because one of us HAS TO BE ACTRESS???? And obviously town loss because town are incompetent (plus throwing for zwink which has been obviously going on all round but beyond the point). There is hardly any scumhunting apart from this, plus there is no scumhunting going on d1, or until the illu shoots (because anyone who talks before the illu shot is mafia), so the time for actual scumhunting is effectively cut to nothing after all the actress bs. Also the fact that town can be utterly helpless when your bleeder is an incompetent **** who doesn't understand English, the games are truly a nightmare.

So blacklist HI, two guns, incompetent players, a setup that is played incorrectly, and you have to deal with Zwink all round, I'm struggling to see positives.

about 9 years

ling says

cant wait for brakes to come back and slay these dweebs



about 9 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/4579215/review

try telling me nl'ing d1 is more optimal.
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People are far too serious about this website..
about 9 years

Rockstar says

I mean I read hedger's wall because hedger's rants are hilarious.


yeah, I find them amusing myself :3
about 9 years
Emperor's New Groove is a Disney treasure.
about 9 years
gonna base my role play account on a 10 year old's cartoon, don't mind me
about 9 years

Blister says

well, his username is "sick". can you blame him?


WOW GUYS BLISTER IS SO FUNNY. HAHAHAHA.
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well, his username is "sick". can you blame him?
about 9 years
You're disgusting. ^
about 9 years
I played 1 game of hollywood illusions and everyone went out of their way to suck the out of Zwink's using their tongue mouth and fingers it was truly a disgusting game and I never played it again.
about 9 years
ROCKSTAR, Stop playing mafia while driving!
about 9 years
I'm on mobile, it's impossible to edit lol.
about 9 years
I always take Hedger seriously.
about 9 years

LadyNemesis says

I really don't like the day 1 lynch strategy myself and I always try to prevent it.
It's not that one strategy is way better than the other, it's just that some people have different preferences.
Where I've seen the day 1 lynching strategy used, it usually led to pr's being outed too quickly, mislynches on town ending in a loss for town. So no, it's not my thing.

Personal preference though, there is no 'right way' to play the setup. There is not one strategy that should always be used. And the setup itself is quite balanced and lots of people enjoy it.
Why blacklist it because you disagree with a commonly used strategy? Just play other setups that you like more.

And about the scumhunting - people usually talk day 1. Yes, they don't like to talk day two until illu shot mostly, but i've also seen enough games where a lot of talking happened before the illu shot. And after there's still a lot of scumhunting involved. The games aren't often speedgamed.

There's no viable reason to blacklist this setup, I'd say. Just play different ones that you like more, if you don't like it.


You're taking this thread seriously?
about 9 years
Oh I just ignored the talk about Zwink, that's irrelevant to the setup :)
about 9 years
I really don't like the day 1 lynch strategy myself and I always try to prevent it.
It's not that one strategy is way better than the other, it's just that some people have different preferences.
Where I've seen the day 1 lynching strategy used, it usually led to pr's being outed too quickly, mislynches on town ending in a loss for town. So no, it's not my thing.

Personal preference though, there is no 'right way' to play the setup. There is not one strategy that should always be used. And the setup itself is quite balanced and lots of people enjoy it.
Why blacklist it because you disagree with a commonly used strategy? Just play other setups that you like more.

And about the scumhunting - people usually talk day 1. Yes, they don't like to talk day two until illu shot mostly, but i've also seen enough games where a lot of talking happened before the illu shot. And after there's still a lot of scumhunting involved. The games aren't often speedgamed.

There's no viable reason to blacklist this setup, I'd say. Just play different ones that you like more, if you don't like it.
about 9 years
I'd have more respect for rockstar but he just triple posts instead of editing his previous post.
about 9 years
Oh and he knows how to make paragraphs too.
about 9 years
I mean I read hedger's wall because hedger's rants are hilarious.
about 9 years
I'd be thoroughly shocked if anyone read any of the walls you've posted, dzanek.
about 9 years
Isn't it our fault that Zwink wins the games but we not?
about 9 years

Loreli says

FTR this is meant to be automatically disallowed from comp due to the amount of guns in it. 1 is the maximum amount of guns allowed. If you want to break out the ACTUAL facts.


Let's play some setup with GS, gun somebody, NL and gun other person, then ban this setup as well as all setups with GS.


Tbh it's the kind setup where's leading clear uncc'd D1 or rarely to cc (bleeder) and some pr which mafia try to kill or cc (leader, GS) and bunch of people with the same role (most likely blues). Bleeder in this setup if wastes ml twice, town loses. It's very well known, but also in another setups, where most likely the clear is sheriff, oracle or cop, this is the same. I meant that it mainly depends on who the clear person is. If it's some ******** which ignores town's arguments and goes with his own and is dumb, town is most likely to lose due to this person. E.g. once I was blue and cop cc. One of cop slipped saying "inno " instantly. I told sheriff to shoot this person, he was like "how he slipped?" and told about putting report before name. He ignored this saying it wasn't slip, the cop claim omgus'd, I told IN CAPS THAT HE WAS BLATANT MAF AND CANNOT BE TOWN and then sheriff asks me for claim shooting afterwards and then lynching the cc of my fos leading the town to lose saying that I gave literally no reason that this person I fos'd was maf. But of course the town can ignore the clear if it isn't mylo/lylo yet by grouping together against one person voting him constantly to get him lynched or doctor ignoring saving the clear (like oracle) or vesting sheriff but the most towntell who he thinks will hammer more wisely than the clear. As GS you can gun someone else who you towntell so you're the part of scumhunting saying that you've already put a tr because from blue point of view it looks better than from clear, and it needs you to trust the blue claim. So don't gun bleeder if you think he'll lose it for town.
about 9 years
git gud hedger
about 9 years
And yes. Looking for act codes as opposed to looking for tells to indicate alignments is incredibly foolish and aggravating.
about 9 years
Too many novels. Feature setup it because it's hella fun, but yeah ban from comp.