Have you guys ever taken a moment to sit back and think about how quickly society as a whole advances? I don't mean advancing in a good or bad way specifically, but advancing in general.
Humans are very weird.
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Like I said. We said the same things about the Irish. Which establishes the point that, since the Irish are in fact also white, that the rhetoric being used is more nationality-motivated than it is racially.
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I know but the way you worded it made it sound like I was basing my opinion solely off of Trump's words. Sorry
All the candidates are horrible, I honestly feel bad for every good person living in America
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Illegal immigrants aren't actually that big of an issue in the way that Trump is framing it, especially in contemporary America. Trump accuses illegals of being full of criminals, even though POC often only resort to criminality as a means of survival, whereas often times white people engage in criminality as a recreation. It's just a talking point of Trump's because he's such a radical about it that it's easy for racists to fall behind. If he wanted to actually discuss illegal immigration to any decent length, he'd mention the sex trafficking that goes hand-in-hand with illegal immigration, but he's not concerned about immigrants as people.
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Deporting people because of their race = bad
Deporting illegal immigrants = good
Better security at borders to filter bad immigrants = good
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Implying that wanting to deport 11 million immigrants and only let "the good ones back" isn't inherently racist.
Implying wanting to build a bigger border between the US and Mexico and make Mexico be financially responsible for it isn't racist.
Implying any latinx people support Trump (didn't he just make some political move about some latina supporting him and she was like the only one who spoke in his defense? LOL)
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Anyway y'all can keep having at it. I'm 25 years old and this is my third presidential election. I know better than to have serious political discussions in this format.
People resort to identity politics when they start to realize they're wrong
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There are no nonracist white people because racism is socialized, institutionalized, and white people have profited off the suffering of POC (most obviously in slavery, but also with strict voter ID laws, sex work exploitation, sharecropping (iirc that's the term) in the post-civil war period, gerrymandering to keep lower income (read: less white) people from being spread out through county lines).
It's diffusion of responsibility. If I am a white person and I hear "some white people are racist", I will pat myself on the back and go "Boy, those racist white people are bad. Glad I am not part of the problem in any way". Saying "All white people are racist", however, will cause me to analyze my own complicity in racism rather than assume I am the perfect nonracist white person.
I'm tired of explaining basic intersectional feminism concepts.
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While I think your first point holds at least some validity, I don't think wanting to ship out a whole bunch of immigrants in and of itself pronounces it more so. A lot of the right's rhetoric re: immigration echoes the approach our country took when the Irish started flocking over here in droves. I think it's jingoist if anything - not racist.
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I feel like the Holocaust should be looked at to find ways it could have been prevented anyways, so that in the future it never happens again. Which I guess, in your definition, means "victim-blaming."
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keep your onion
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It's not bad to take away "Do not let nationalists into power" from the holocaust. Just my onion.
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if white then racist if racist then opinion doesnt matter
now Im actually going to bed. This is great though, same time tomorrow everyone?
so we should look at the holocaust and say, "well the nazis did some messed up stuff there. hopefully there are no nazis in the future. As for everyone else involved, great stuff. keep up the good work. Only 6 million dead. that's not bad all things considered"
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Feel free, you've contributed almost nothing to this discussion and what you have is idiotic.
Louis ck had a really good bit on being mildly racist when he hosted snl last may
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Then you fundamentally misunderstand what victim blaming is, conceptually.
Saying that a victim has any means to prevent their own oppression rather than holding their oppressors accountable is victim blaming. Rather than "jews should've fought off their captors", it should be "their captors should've never been able to rise to prominence".
