Epicmafia

Anon setups in comp

almost 10 years

It is an utter disgrace that Anonymous setups have been banned from comp. The unprofessional manner it has been dealt with, makes it even more shocking. Anonymous setups have been banned mid-round without an explanation? (They are not popular is not a reason btw).

I know for a fact that several mods and perhaps admins are not on board with this ban. Heck, Lucid himself has said that he has no problems with anonymous setups in comp. I can point to many rounds of the past where anonymous setups have been played with no issue (pre DUFF era.)

I worked bloody hard to trophy and I want to be allowed to comp the setups I choose. 3 of my setups were removed for a variety of made up reasons. This one is by far the most ridiculous. I want a full explanation of why anon setups are banned.

If your argument is solely against the recent surge of DUFFS setups , I wish to pose you a question. Is it our fault that weve won a lot of trophies recently and want to comp these setups? This is a joke.

Anon setups actually allow for a less biased comp game without the use of meta and ogi.

Please give me more than a one line response. I want the name of whoever decided this. Answer for yourself.

vilden

almost 10 years

johnreid why dont you tell everyone how the setup got added back

vilden

almost 10 years

lol

johnreid

almost 10 years

:'( thats sad.

ling

almost 10 years

when you want to go to the beach at night cause it was really hot during the day and it starts thunderstomring

johnreid

almost 10 years

Lorelli love your stuff btw :)

jack

almost 10 years

that's not a stupid question at all, you just ad hom'd because you care too much about this

johnreid

almost 10 years

Miku says

please reban it just so johnreid will continue to pee his pants over his epicmafia.com setup

PLEAAAASE DONT REBAN IT :'( I really will pee my pants.

johnreid

almost 10 years

vilden says

lol here is a question: would you allow a round with only anon comp'd setups?

if you can't answer yes, all of your arguments are thrown out the window and anon decks arent viable in competition

Would you allow a round with vilden in every game? If you cant answer yes, vilden is not viable in comp.

Stupid question gets stupid response.

vilden

almost 10 years

lol here is a question: would you allow a round with only anon comp'd setups?

if you can't answer yes, all of your arguments are thrown out the window and anon decks arent viable in competition

ling

almost 10 years

YOU LOYAL, YOU SMART

GO BUY YOUR MOMMA A HOUSE, SAY MY NAME

hedger

almost 10 years

but being deceitful is fun, why would people not want to develop that part of their game :(

Solace

almost 10 years

hedger says

Solace says

As the same set of players play together over and over, the game gradually becomes more and more town-sided.

The benefit of anonymous setups is that it helps to balance out the alignment wins by removing meta.

That is:
Someone's win-rate (mafia winrate in particular)
Their experience
And any unique alignment tells they may have

In my opinion, it is great that anonymous setups are allowed to be played competitively.

and for those arguing that it allows experienced players to fake dumbtelling - dumbtelling is a strategy lol

I don't like these arguments really at all, because mafia can combat meta in different ways, and a lot of the reasons for setups becoming more townsided is that it takes more time to develop an optimal town strategy than a mafia strategy in most cases and that once people become comfortable with a setup, the setup will start to be more townsided than originally, which makes the meta argument slightly skewed.

imo towns win more often than not because its a lot harder to maintain lies, it's a lot more difficult to feign emotions for a prolonged period of time, and its a lot more difficult to fabricate a thought process as mafia.

not to mention that most players put more effort into developing their town-game simply because you flip town more often than mafia. It's also beneficial to their overall winrate to have a reputation for being honest than one of being deceitful.

vilden

almost 10 years

let our voices be heard

jack

almost 10 years

ling says

anon setups are fun in theory but no one plays them and thier boring in reality

honestly the best post in this thread

ling

almost 10 years

UGHHH

hedger

almost 10 years

comp a non-duffs anon setup if you really want to bring back anonymous mafia.

Solace

almost 10 years

MasterCheif says

If people would take anon setups seriously, I think that it would be great to have them in comp. But if you look at all past DUFFS anon setups played in comp, you can see that people don't take them seriously.

it's only because of the community's shift in values. See this as an attempt to rekindle the interest!

hedger

almost 10 years

Solace says

As the same set of players play together over and over, the game gradually becomes more and more town-sided.

The benefit of anonymous setups is that it helps to balance out the alignment wins by removing meta.

That is:
Someone's win-rate (mafia winrate in particular)
Their experience
And any unique alignment tells they may have

In my opinion, it is great that anonymous setups are allowed to be played competitively.

and for those arguing that it allows experienced players to fake dumbtelling - dumbtelling is a strategy lol

I don't like these arguments really at all, because mafia can combat meta in different ways, and a lot of the reasons for setups becoming more townsided is that it takes more time to develop an optimal town strategy than a mafia strategy in most cases and that once people become comfortable with a setup, the setup will start to be more townsided than originally, which makes the meta argument slightly skewed.

ling

almost 10 years

like if one of your friends linked you a game, you gotta be really really dumb to not be able to tell who he is

other than that, it doesnt really matter who blank faces are

Loreli

almost 10 years

Meta shouldn't ever be used as a reason for a vote, it should only be used to back up reasoning.

MasterCheif

almost 10 years

If people would take anon setups seriously, I think that it would be great to have them in comp. But if you look at all past DUFFS anon setups played in comp, you can see that people don't take them seriously.

ling

almost 10 years

a large part of mafia is meta reads and when joining a table most people can tell who is who in anon setups, its just an added set of confusion

Solace

almost 10 years

As the same set of players play together over and over, the game gradually becomes more and more town-sided.

The benefit of anonymous setups is that it helps to balance out the alignment wins by removing meta.

That is:
Someone's win-rate (mafia winrate in particular)
Their experience
And any unique alignment tells they may have

In my opinion, it is great that anonymous setups are allowed to be played competitively.

and for those arguing that it allows experienced players to fake dumbtelling - dumbtelling is a strategy lol

ling

almost 10 years

anon setups are fun in theory but no one plays them and thier boring in reality

vilden

almost 10 years

mods all agreed to swap it out but for whatever reason they were strong-armed, that is the only relevant issue