Epicmafia

deletedalmost 10 years

i know dave. still better to hit the pr, even if whoever it is has just claimed 'pr', than let the blue die then kill pr. the role has minor utility as well as having badass yolo gangsta utility in sick ots to hidden det

Strider

almost 10 years

detective non-wifom claiming day 1 stops any chance at autowin day 2 for town

Felons

almost 10 years

towns are just going to wifom claim orc and fake lead as orc,

regardless of what happens though if both mafia are and both prs are alive (statistically improbable) day 2 the orc should claim first, then the detective should claim once it's confirmed the orc is un cc'd.

In that scenario the game will literally be over for mafia lol

Strider

almost 10 years

belovedprincess says

don can ot to an outed pr then kill the clear giga. using it smart wouldn't make any difference but to blow orc out of the water before he could actually orc maybe. i like the idea tbh

no different than letting the lynch go through and killing the clear. a useless power (except specifically on day/dawn start with an orc)

edit: and i guess setups with protective roles/vests

Giga13

almost 10 years

Well I doubt it even gets comped so we probably won't find out for a while anyway

deletedalmost 10 years

i'm aware prs claiming is bad giga, i said that page 1. don't use ur ot then if u don't have balls

deletedalmost 10 years

don's actually a cool role, but people are probably gonna use it to self-destruct a lot in fairness

Felons

almost 10 years

oh okay improper wording on my part, townsided is more politically correct i guess.

but it will be 56 - 58%

Giga13

almost 10 years

belovedprincess says

don can ot to an outed pr then kill the clear giga. using it smart wouldn't make any difference but to blow orc out of the water before he could actually orc maybe. i like the idea tbh

PRs claiming is stupid though and would only happen if town screwed up a lynch (which, on second thought, happens more than it doesn't)

If that happens then you still have the other PR, if they weren't the person who got OTd off of I mean

deletedalmost 10 years

don can ot to an outed pr then kill the clear giga. using it smart wouldn't make any difference but to blow orc out of the water before he could actually orc maybe. i like the idea tbh

Giga13

almost 10 years

It's not gonna be 56-58 lmao it's just townsided. Not a pointfarm

Felons

almost 10 years

okay, comp the setup then. once it reaches 56 - 58% town wins i'll come back and bump this thread.

Giga13

almost 10 years

Don's a stupid role, Mafia OTing just clears whoever the lynch was on

Giga13

almost 10 years

Felons says

you literally have a powerless don, because his only real function is to OT the day 1 lynch onto the orc.

any other OT would be incerdibly stupid.

Then you have mafia not knowing who each other are, so he has as equal a probability to OT to his hooker as he does to the orc.

If he OT's from a town to the hooker not only does the town get a clear, but the clear you created could be the orc, or it could be a blue meaning day 2 ...

you know what, just trust me it's a town pointfarm lol

No it's not lmao

Strider

almost 10 years

eh

if town lynches wrong day 1, they've basically handed mafia the game considering the strength they have

but if town lynches right, they basically get a free pass to the 2nd mafia straight away

highly dependant on the day 1 lynch, which doesn't necessarily cause imbalance, just a whole load of swing

it's like the day version of YYC

edit: all of the above assumes dawn start, because day start is honestly horrible for this setup

Felons

almost 10 years

you literally have a powerless don, because his only real function is to OT the day 1 lynch onto the orc.

any other OT would be incerdibly stupid.

Then you have mafia not knowing who each other are, so he has as equal a probability to OT to his hooker as he does to the orc.

If he OT's from a town to the hooker not only does the town get a clear, but the clear you created could be the orc, or it could be a blue meaning day 2 ...

you know what, just trust me it's a town pointfarm lol

Strider

almost 10 years

actually, i thought about it, and maybe i'm wrong. i still think don not knowing the hooker makes it incredibly swingy (and will favour town too much) but it might just be 53-55 like you said. i still think 53-55 is too high though

it would err very slightly to the side of scumsided, imo, if it's dawn start

don can OT to orc without revealing anyone, which is pretty powerful. makes orc the optimal lynch target day 1 for mafia. even if detective is outed, don would save the detective for an easy night kill

Giga13

almost 10 years

Yeah but towns suck so it'll be scumsided anyway lol

deletedalmost 10 years

How do you think it is if it is Dawn Start?

Strider

almost 10 years

as i've mentioned thrice in-thread, yes i do

deletedalmost 10 years

You really think it will lean more than 5% townsided? That seems crazy to me. I was thinking 53-55% town

deletedalmost 10 years

It's not a perfect setup, but it's certainly better than hollywood illusions or Sheriff Variant 10

Strider

almost 10 years

well, sure, you can finalise this if you want but i'm telling you how the stats will lean

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