Epicmafia

Stalker role too OP

almost 10 years

Thing is mafia can NK any time and stalker keeps receiving reports(if the setup does not include cop or any investigative role from town side.) This forces town to lynch to avoid stalker catching the PR or the important role they want alive.

So if it's a 5 way and then you lynch stalker will exploit NK and stalk til he finds the right pr.

Seen this exploited in Voltron Doesn't Like It where mafia NK's the very beginning and keeps stalking til they find the bulletproof. In that case they hit bulletproof so town loses a PR.

Can be exploited with setups that include bomb, oracle or any town PR like that where stalker can NK safe from hitting those and keep stalking so he knows what to avoid.

Can easily be exploited in Sweet Dreams and maybe other setups like lolnoobtraitormafialose or Jingle All The Way.

The point is, while I didn't say TOO many people exploiting the role like this, what if they do? This could break the balance of said setups and it's not hard to do it. It's beneficial so why not?

Can you fix this exploit by maybe adding a feature to the stalker that makes his ability useless if mafia decides to no kill that night?

deletedalmost 10 years

actually there's lower risk with the nk and kill blues strat too. no nilla being left out in the cold going to get owned by orc if stalker gets lynched d1

push

almost 10 years

delete stalker

deletedalmost 10 years

2/5 -> 2/4 or 1/4 -> 1/2

2/6 -> 2/4 or 1/4 -> 1/2 (mafia kills blues all game)

which is the easier path to a win?

guess it doesn't afford the massive advantage i thought, but it's still optimal to nk

deletedalmost 10 years

oh i forgot bp stays unhit again lol. there's probs some odds there to be worked in fairness

deletedalmost 10 years

if town lynch the best they salvage is a lower chance of hitting mafia d1 than and then mafia has to be clever enough to kill a blue to give u d2 also at worse odds than the game is played standard

Miloo7

almost 10 years

VDLI is a crappy setup. Don't blame Stalker. Also you shouldn't put stalker in a setup that doesn't have an investigative role.
Last thing, if mafia NK's N1 in VDLI, town should lynch for stalker.

deletedalmost 10 years

mishammer and they just have to kill a blue tho and it's 6way and gg. and they'll know the bp without giving anything away. nk'ing is still optimal af

deletedalmost 10 years

oh true. i forgot about the bp not dying.

AdrenalineMime

almost 10 years

roles aren't imbalanced, setups are

and vdli does not have a NK problem. as anthony put it:

If for whatever reason mafia NK's N1 or N2 and you have mylo or ML+1 with an UNHIT BP, then you LYNCH. Mafia won't sac the orc because they are p**sies, and mafia wont hit the BP because it will give town an extra mislynch. This means you will always have 2 clears.

Froce

almost 10 years

pretty broken