Epicmafia

Stalker role too OP

almost 10 years

Thing is mafia can NK any time and stalker keeps receiving reports(if the setup does not include cop or any investigative role from town side.) This forces town to lynch to avoid stalker catching the PR or the important role they want alive.

So if it's a 5 way and then you lynch stalker will exploit NK and stalk til he finds the right pr.

Seen this exploited in Voltron Doesn't Like It where mafia NK's the very beginning and keeps stalking til they find the bulletproof. In that case they hit bulletproof so town loses a PR.

Can be exploited with setups that include bomb, oracle or any town PR like that where stalker can NK safe from hitting those and keep stalking so he knows what to avoid.

Can easily be exploited in Sweet Dreams and maybe other setups like lolnoobtraitormafialose or Jingle All The Way.

The point is, while I didn't say TOO many people exploiting the role like this, what if they do? This could break the balance of said setups and it's not hard to do it. It's beneficial so why not?

Can you fix this exploit by maybe adding a feature to the stalker that makes his ability useless if mafia decides to no kill that night?

Felons

almost 10 years

push says

push says

Felons says

push says

also vdli is a bad setup anyways

now read this as somebody who has no idea what mafia is and see how you feel

i don't get it.

(your post, not mine)

fail

i think this was the fail, actually.

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in fairness there's a pretty wicked gamble on the stalker in what i'm talking about, but i'd say it evens out across both strats/considering odds of stalker getting d1'd

+ there's a default of hitting pr after d1, so...

push

almost 10 years

Felons says

push says

also vdli is a bad setup anyways

now read this as somebody who has no idea what mafia is and see how you feel

i don't get it.

(your post, not mine)[/quote]

fail

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Tarantino says

belovedprincess says

Tarantino says

NKing gives away reads that are worth more than the BP tbh

meta gets swallowed up by mechanics, sonse. everyone should be nk'ing

Well I mean in the average table maybe you'd have an argument even though you give the town a possible extra ML, but I promise if you NK in a table with me you're going to lose

for now anyway lol

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Sirius,

If you, I, and 6 noobs are in a VDLI table and there is a NK, it's probably not the noobs, right?

Felons

almost 10 years

push says

also vdli is a bad setup anyways

now read this as somebody who has no idea what mafia is and see how you feel[/quote]i don't get it.

(your post, not mine)

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belovedprincess says

Tarantino says

NKing gives away reads that are worth more than the BP tbh

meta gets swallowed up by mechanics, sonse. everyone should be nk'ing

Well I mean in the average table maybe you'd have an argument even though you give the town a possible extra ML, but I promise if you NK in a table with me you're going to lose

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Tarantino says

NKing gives away reads that are worth more than the BP tbh

meta gets swallowed up by mechanics, sonse. everyone should be nk'ing

Felons

almost 10 years

i already said why it was wrong and stupid in the post prior to that one.

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Felons says

also lmao at this moron for saying the stalker role as a whole is over powered solely because of his dumbass logic, which is actually incredibly stupid

stop being so loud and obnoxious when u don't really have anything to say bro

ik i might come off like that, but i'm actually right lol

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NKing gives away reads that are worth more than the BP tbh

Felons

almost 10 years

also lmao at this moron for saying the stalker role as a whole is over powered solely because of his dumbass logic, which is actually incredibly stupid

elfire

almost 10 years

the real question is, would you rather play vdli, or wwtw?

push

almost 10 years

Felons says

if you nk as mafia to stalk day 1 of vdli then the easy way to combat that would be the bp claiming as unhit bp.

the unhit bp if they are a decent player will be able to poe which idiots would actually nk to stalk.

once one of the idiots is lynched mafia cannot hit the bp, and mafia will not know the orc.

basically if you're going to nk you have to hope the bp is someone stupid and the town is equally as stupid..

also vdli is a bad setup anyways

now read this as somebody who has no idea what mafia is and see how you feel

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Ryuko says

sirius did you seriously forget n1 nk followed by town lynch means bp can't get hit?

no dave, i account for it. mafia kills blues all game and keeps the same odds in later dayphases plus better odds d1 because town lynched while one extra blue than usual was alive

basically nk'ing just amounts to a lesser chance of being lynched d1, but which increases overall mafia winchance

push

almost 10 years

shut up felons

Felons

almost 10 years

if you nk as mafia to stalk day 1 of vdli then the easy way to combat that would be the bp claiming as unhit bp.

the unhit bp if they are a decent player will be able to poe which idiots would actually nk to stalk.

once one of the idiots is lynched mafia cannot hit the bp, and mafia will not know the orc.

basically if you're going to nk you have to hope the bp is someone stupid and the town is equally as stupid..

also vdli is a bad setup anyways

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The only way I've ever won by NKing is by NKing and then vehemently swearing that I wouldn't because it's suboptimal and stupid due to possibly giving town an extra ML

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What about the fact that a NK by mafia gives any decent player some pretty stellar reads, though

Felons

almost 10 years

wow u guys (OP and OP agreers) are incredibly stupid

elfire

almost 10 years

Yeah thats where u wrre going with it. I got ninja'd

elfire

almost 10 years

Ryuko says

belovedprincess says

doesn't matter dude. the nk gives town their two clears untouched for the whole game and still takes a better winchance from it. and actually bp having to out that he wasn't hit actually seals the deal, because that might have been the crux when it came down to getting the last blue lynched and hitting in prs lol

easily combat by both prs claiming "unhit pr"

This could work if town lynches after the nk right? Because it wouldnt make sense to nl if both prs do it

Ryuko

almost 10 years

sirius did you seriously forget n1 nk followed by town lynch means bp can't get hit?

Ryuko

almost 10 years

belovedprincess says

doesn't matter dude. the nk gives town their two clears untouched for the whole game and still takes a better winchance from it. and actually bp having to out that he wasn't hit actually seals the deal, because that might have been the crux when it came down to getting the last blue lynched and hitting in prs lol

easily combat by both prs claiming "unhit pr"

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good lord, why am i still posting here. do u guys think i'm nervous about college? hardly. maybe i'm gonna miss u guys going out into the real world =(