Not even a chess clickbait. I haven't read the pastebin (http://pastebin.com/ufTNVPWc) yet, but this is interesting. I wanna give y'all a fist-bump, 'cause they seemed pretty sketch, but also have some questions.
Why is the charge "excessive meta abuse"? What does that mean, exactly, in this context? That they gave up when against each other, or played to each others' win conditions, consistently? Are y'all confident that these games are representative of their play in recent rounds, and not cherrypicked or anything?
Why the 2 month ban? Why not investigate all the games, 'cause clearly this is a serious paste and ban?
"it isn't explicit in the "i only ate as town" type of meta abuse. their reads on eachother are correct the vast majority of the time, and very rarely do those reads seem to be related to actual content of the game" so the theory is that they're cheating? or they're OGIing?
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hi trophy account. devante from what i saw there were enough games where rolesharing and graveyard vision were blatantly not used to sort of counteract the suspicious games. i'll probably do that, though, for the more questionable users alone. if certain people were rolesharing they'll get the full 6 month ban
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pitiful, if u want my opinion you should ignore all the HI games, because HI is a bad setup and because of how it's played it's almost impossible to prove wheter they're cheating in that setup. I think you should look & see how often the mafia win in O2R, I tried to do it but i don't have the mental patience to find all of the games and you'll know all their alts anyways. to me it seems like they're just playing to towns win condition which is why whenever one of them flips mafia they always say "Omg noooo" or w.e, I think they're probably rolesharing.
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aye ian lol
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i didn't make the writeup trying to prove meta abuse, but at the end figured there wasn't enough for a strong case of rolesharing. we went through it and still saw meta abuse as a big problem in their games it isn't explicit in the "i only ate as town" type of meta abuse. their reads on eachother are correct the vast majority of the time, and very rarely do those reads seem to be related to actual content of the game i am sorry that i missed that we easily could have made a mistake on burton. there are other people, too, who were banned and only appeared a bit in the games i looked at but their behavior and the reads other ruse members got on them were in line with meta abuse. i'll take a closer look at burtonx in particular when i get home tonight and consider taking them off the list
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I don't keep track of every mod. I can understand people not wanting to give input because there's this mindset going around about cheater mods and cheating is a pretty serious violation to up and the community will harp on you for doing so yeah
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Thanks Ian + Shacky/Retti. Nice job and thanks for looking. Team is seens a little shaky still so this was probably a little harder than usual
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Not really determined yet.
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wasn't this what slow was brought on the mod team to do, or claims to be the only thing he likes to do or w.e?
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So are they not getting banned
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Don't get all upset with voluntaryloser who spent hours and hours of making this bin for nobody besides me and sims possibly to even glance over it. He was desperate for input and this would have gone smoother if the team were being functional and willing to help. There's no such thing as a cheating mod that doesn't go without any feedback. Any mistakes Ian made were also our own, and for that, I apologize. We'll ensure this gets cleaned up fairly before the round ends.
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Yes that's what I was specifically referencing with my last post.
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Didn't that one dude mw123 or whatever get trophy blocked for some kind of meta abuse
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this game is the easiest example of role sharing, and the pastebin doesn't mention it at all. https://epicmafia.com/game/4110074 - Look how his reads flip the moment a ruse player is in GY & he as a noob player is incredibly confident in his reads before he hammers (he being snowflake276728)
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Meta abuse isn't just "This person is my friend and usually reads me right through whatever methods." It needs to be something like "I only AtE as town, so I'll AtE to all my friends whenever I'm town and they'll clear me every game."
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yes, but it looks like he's trying to prove they're role-sharing more than he is that they're meta abusing, also.. why are they only suspended till august?
can someone describe the meta they are abusing? what is it that they're doing to explicitly show alignment to each other?
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meta abuse has always been in the same vein as cheating though?
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Right, you can't just list it happening one time as any sort of evidence for anything. If you want to use good n1 picks as a argument for cheating, they need to happen again and again and again.
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it happened in one out of the however many games that he linked that the cop checked the nilla as far as i can see, which is why it's funny.
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That sort of finding suggests actual rolesharing if it keeps happening, but the report lists "excessive meta abuse" as the reason for the ban.
