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Questions and ideas on comp

over 9 years

Oi. Questions and ideas:

How does comp work? Is it first to reach 2000? Or just who has most points when all hearts are played?

General Ideas to make comp better:

There is no FAQ/introduction anywhere. Might be good to make. Another idea is that this automatically pops up first few times you join comp, because there have been quite a few games with people who played the setup for the very first time in comp.

Then a further requirement for joining comp could be that you need to have played a setup 5 times (or so) before you can play it comped. The comp setups could then all be featured (x2) setups in the interim between different rounds so people play them a lot and comp becomes better.

Right now comp is too accessible in the sense that you can just join if you have 1500 points (which means nothing as that is just 30 wins in FP or so) and too inaccessible in the sense that it is really hard to get information on what it is and how it works. Especially because players are not very helpful to newer players. (E.g. it took me a long time to even learn the difference between red/orange hearts and to find out that comp works in rounds which you can see when you click round.)

I think this would benefit everyone, as newer players don't get shouted at as much because they're new. (Either newer players don't play or they are less new.) And older players have to deal less with clueless players.

A completely other idea is to make two (or more) leagues of comp every round. One which you can join with 1500 points, one with either a lot more points or with a top 30 placement in any round before. This would make everyone happy as well I think, as players play more against their own level, which eases tension.

Edit: because no characters in post (and paragraphs), in response to Jaleb:

Thanks for your response,

  • I think more than 10% will read it, esp if people can refer to it when people are nooby. Depends how well it is written and if it is actual questions from users or a pedagogic "fake" FAQ, (I think a mix would be best.) If you think the costs outweigh the benefits that's fine, but a lot of people are complaining. Too me it seems the current system is suboptimal.

  • Bad metaphor: comp players are trying to climb the mount everest with correct training and gear. Some other people want to tag along because it seems like fun to climb the mt everest, but they can't do it. This becomes clear at some point but by then they're already stuck as a group. Almost everyone dies in the snow. Sometimes an expensive helicopter mission is needed to recover the bodies and restore order.

  • Second point: The exact workings should be more thought out, but to me it seems relatively little happens between rounds, so if all comp setups from next round are x2 and need to be played maybe at least ONCE by player X before X is able to play that setup in comp, it would already help with frustrations. Atm you spend 1500 points to join which seems like a much bigger hassle to me. New setups could be comped just fine, people would just need to play them once before being able to play them comped.

  • I couldn't find Bronze, Silver, Gold lobbies, where they a failure? I think different lobbies has the disadvantage of being always empty though. So it might be worth a shot to have them in Main. If not, that's fine too. I just wanted to spark some ideas, again because I see something suboptimal and I hate suboptimal play. I heard some people were quite positive about training lobby, but wasn't here when it was around.

  • I'm spending way too much time on EM/this though. Deffo taking a break after this round again. Also, it doesn't seem to generate that much reaction. I'll post it in the lobby chat + comments and if it dies, it dies.

deletedover 9 years
I think something that could help people get into the competitive community would be competitive players hosting competitive setups as unranked and giving a leg up to people who want to learn the ropes and become competitive players themselves. I'm not really in the "inner circle" of comp players, but I've been joining them and doing relatively well and have also hosted unranked comp sets for friends and other people who actually want to get better at the game.
over 9 years
tldr but 1500 isn't enough
over 9 years

Jaleb says


FrenchCandlexX621 says

raising the point limit wouldn't raise the quality of players in the games. fancy pants and other pointfarms dont prepare you for competitive. you're going to be just as stupid after farming 5k points as you would've been had the limit not been changed



the only way to prepare yourself for competitive is to play competitive



What setup are they going to play to grind up on points though?


TEO.
over 9 years

FrenchCandlexX621 says

raising the point limit wouldn't raise the quality of players in the games. fancy pants and other pointfarms dont prepare you for competitive. you're going to be just as stupid after farming 5k points as you would've been had the limit not been changed



the only way to prepare yourself for competitive is to play competitive



What setup are they going to play to grind up on points though?
over 9 years
Good ideas. I support.
over 9 years
I got 15 minutes of an introduction video.
deletedover 9 years
raising the point limit wouldn't raise the quality of players in the games. fancy pants and other pointfarms dont prepare you for competitive. you're going to be just as stupid after farming 5k points as you would've been had the limit not been changed



the only way to prepare yourself for competitive is to play competitive

over 9 years
3 GR's/Suicides: Should be a ban for the rest of the round
over 9 years
@escurai maybe a round ban instead of day for first offence, double round ban for second, etc?
deletedover 9 years
Increase comp point requirement to 10K
over 9 years
There are comp, lobby 17, and lobby 48 which were made by PublicEnemy for trophies/experienced. Nothing really came from them as people wanted to stay in one area.
over 9 years
Greater punishments on toxic behaviour.
over 9 years
Nah, the amount of poitns required should be like 5,000 or something. If you got that far without getting a GT, Troll, or GRS violation, I think you'll do fine. But, I don't really have any right to say that because I still don't know how to play comp correctly. Oh well. Maybe someone could teach me.
over 9 years
The amount of points it takes to join comp should be way higher, between 10000-20000. Too many trolls, gt's, veg's, sui's for people who don't even really care about the competition itself.
over 9 years

Ailuropoda says

Oh, yeah, and the stickied posts don't stick out that much from rest of layout of site, so don't attract that much attention from newest players maybe. Or are there a lot of beginners that do find the mentee program/vocab guide? I don't know stats on that, do you?


Not a clue. People come for sandbox or classic. When they find out about other rolea they may or may not try.
over 9 years
Oh, yeah, and the stickied posts don't stick out that much from rest of layout of site, so don't attract that much attention from newest players maybe. Or are there a lot of beginners that do find the mentee program/vocab guide? I don't know stats on that, do you?
over 9 years
posted response in post because of characters
over 9 years
- FAQs will only be read by 10% of new players.
- Playing a setup 5 times is hard to do as some players won't play comp setups unless they are part of the round. There are also fresh setups by players have just freshly made them. This just means new setups will ever join comp.
- Two or more leagues? Lol look up Bronze, Silver, Gold lobbies, or when Bronto was admin and we had rounds in comp and training. Training eventually just gave up on tournaments before the merge.
over 9 years

blacksnakemoan says

how do you get to 35k points without clicking all the tabs on the website and learning everything you can



Pretty sure the OP is trying to help others and not themselves.
over 9 years
Other lobbies always seemed deserted and Main Lobby was FP + Classic + CoCo. I stopped playing half a year ago or something because I got bored. I think I quit just after lobbies got merged, but it wasn't really integrated at that point yet.
over 9 years
by clicking the join button next to a fancy pants setup indicator
over 9 years
how do you get to 35k points without clicking all the tabs on the website and learning everything you can
deletedover 9 years

Ailuropoda says

How do you make paragraphs in post?





you can't as of now. it's recently bugged out and the site creator's working on fixing it.
over 9 years
How do you make paragraphs in post?
over 9 years
Thanks Arcbell. I searched for comp/competition guide/introduction/explanation/rules but they didn't result it. Didn't think to look in the welcome.

Also, the way Arcbell put it is perfectly demonstrating my point. As in, I was nooby that I didn't find it, you gave info but with negative undertone, (if I read you correctly), which is unpleasant for the both of us.

I think the forum is not the correct place for it, because there is a large portion of players, especially newer players, that never go on the forums. (Myself included.) But you agree with that, so thats great!

I don't know who made the site, but how difficult is it too put that information in learn/round possibly popup first time joining comp? If it is easy, it seems like that could do no harm. The other ideas are a bit more speculative.