Epicmafia

Ruse and their dastardly deeds

over 9 years

Hey mods. Can someone sort out Ruse?

I've been sitting in lobby waiting for this Poker game to start(https://epicmafia.com/game/4116881 - join up, we need one more!), and Burtonx has started about 4 setups trying to get his gold hearts played. But there's a problem - there is always another setup and it's hosted by Ruse players. At the moment it's prezabama and emiliewu.

However, take a look at the top two Ruse players this round, messi4life and yehet21. Every single one of their last 10 games has been played with multiple other Ruse players: Messi(2 others, 2, 2, 3, 1, 3, 2, 2, 1, 3, 3) and yehet21(3 others, 4, 4, 4, 2, 1, 3, 2, 2, 1, 3).

So as I see it, we have an issue with this family. There are at least two players who are noticeably suspect: Messi and Yehet. They have ignored the mods rule that Ruse players shouldn't play comp together, and have instead consistently continued playing with an average of 2(Messi) and 3(Yehet) other Ruse players in their games.

Meanwhile, burton, Emilie, and Prez(all of whom have played in at least one of those last 10 games above), are making multiple comp setups in an effort to comply with the mod ruling.

Clearly Yehet and Messi shouldn't be allowed to play with other Ruse players, and the approach to the others should possibly be relaxed.

deletedover 9 years

Quest says

derfel teaches at their same school,,,pls look into defel cheating with them,,,i suspect derfel is the cheating ring leader

pereking

over 9 years

speaking of yehet
http://i.imgur.com/lWJpANa.png

Wildfire

over 9 years

So did "meta-abusing is a fine line" completely fly over your head or what, Devante.

deletedover 9 years

Idk about the other ruse members but you'd have to be stupid to think yehet was legit with as many incomplete games as wins

pereking

over 9 years

we have to punish them before they break the rules, otherwise they might break the rules

deletedover 9 years

Twist says

care alert

deletedover 9 years

Wildfire says

Sure, but meta-abuse is actually sort of fine line. If voluntaryloser wants to try to deal with this problem in some way other than outright removing a family of 15 people from competitive play I don't think that makes him an idiot.

He isn't a babysitter, this isn't a "time-out, go sit in a corner for 15 minutes and not look at each other" case. If they're cheating they're cheating, they've done it in the past rounds if they are infact doing it this round. This is the internet, there are no ages because I could easily be 13 or 30, none of you can prove otherwise. Idc how old they claim to be, he's either proving they're cheating or he's not. Like newjersey said, I've played a lot d games with him and usually when we are aligned differently I win 80% of those games, that doesn't mean he's playing to my win condition. If he can make a pastebin proving they're meta abusing/cheating like was done with xJade over a year ago then he can ban them. However he cannot prohibit them from playing together

Wildfire

over 9 years

ScubaSteve says

IdioT......

Truth...

deletedover 9 years

Woah .... O_O I never knew so many people could be so wrong about so many things

Escurai

over 9 years

But by just refusing them rights to play games together it's acting like there isn't a problem, because if they were cheating then different protocol would be taken. Also his reasoning is that people are of a younger age so they should receive special treatment doesn't make any sense. I don't play comp but I wouldn't want cheaters in my game full stop.

deletedover 9 years

derfel teaches at their same school,,,pls look into defel cheating with them,,,i suspect derfel is the cheating ring leader

newjerseynutjob

over 9 years

Devante says

You literally cannot forum suspend people because they're "playing together and you asked them to stop". What if they only can play their hearts at 3 am, when only one table can logically be filled. Are you saying beause you, God, forbid them from playing together they're not allowed to play any games now?

you should ban me then cuz I play a lot of games with devante and then devante wins a lot. clearly i'm throwing for him and cheating for him. lol

Togepi

over 9 years

Escurai says

Punishing rule breakers is also a good thing to be doing. If the mods suspect cheating then you punish them for cheating, and if they're not cheating they should be able to play in games together.

Exactly. You either think they are cheating and you punish them or you let them keep playing the games together.

Togepi

over 9 years

ScubaSteve says

Wildfire says

Sure, but meta-abuse is actually sort of fine line. If voluntaryloser wants to try to deal with this problem in some way other than outright removing a family of 15 people from competitive play I don't think that makes him an idiot.

IdioT......

Good posting btw

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Wildfire says

Sure, but meta-abuse is actually sort of fine line. If voluntaryloser wants to try to deal with this problem in some way other than outright removing a family of 15 people from competitive play I don't think that makes him an idiot.

IdioT......

Wildfire

over 9 years

Sure, but meta-abuse is actually sort of fine line. If voluntaryloser wants to try to deal with this problem in some way other than outright removing a family of 15 people from competitive play I don't think that makes him an idiot.

deletedover 9 years

We'd still be stuck on round 100 if meta abusers were banned, or even questioned. If they're "just kids" let them go.

Escurai

over 9 years

Punishing rule breakers is also a good thing to be doing. If the mods suspect cheating then you punish them for cheating, and if they're not cheating they should be able to play in games together.

Wildfire

over 9 years

Moderating isn't just about punishing rule breakers it can also be about curating the community.

Togepi

over 9 years

Who is going to go into the tunnel and pull together a Pastebin?

deletedover 9 years

it's okay they can still potentially meta abuse/cheat in red heart games

Escurai

over 9 years

Or just don't ban with minimal evidence. You can't sit on the fence either they're cheating or they aren't.

Togepi

over 9 years

voluntaryloser says

i think that they're kids who i don't want to ban because they don't realize that some of what they do could technically be cheating. they don't seem to be malicious people in general, and i don't feel like they need to be banned if what they're doing can be circumvented by keeping them from playing together

You do realize as a moderator it isn't a job to protect those that are doing wrong but to actually enforce the rules and to stop it?

deletedover 9 years

theyre teenagers not innocent little babies

deletedover 9 years

voluntaryloser says

they were never formally asked to stop playing together until last night. i told them that if they keep doing it they'll get round suspended. not sure whether there'll end up being a vio for any of them yet but i'll keep looking into it

Idiot.