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EM's bad meta

over 9 years

D1 Bad Metas

7 person, maf kills n1: this is the most common meta that is played on em, and one of the reason why I feel fp is bad for the site. It's a pointless strategy where nobody does anything. Somebody will quickly die n2, which makes two people not actually play mafia.

7 person, dawn/day start: examples include stbs, C14, and CnS. This meta often comes with town racing for a random ml to avoid a pr getting night killed. This strategy is bad as town will just throw away a blue more times than not hoping that maf will not hit a pr. Plays d1 include people saying, "I'm blue lynch me," or "We don't want maf to pr read." Not only is this against town's win con, maf generaly have a higher win rate as maf cc the pr or simply doesn't get lynched over a blue.

8 person, night start: These have a range of setups to them. The most commonly played have 0-2 pr claiming as pr. O2R is being the best at avoiding a bad meta of auto claims. Meanwhile BV and VDLI both have pr claiming d1 uncc'd. These are better with scum hunting, but some blues don't participate as they don't think their fos will be acknowledged by the clears. Some games are simply played as town selves and a pr hammers. PRs will not lead in some of these games as they feel like maf will fish if a bw is lead on them.

HI/A&D (day start with an unkillable claims to get a gun): These setups have the mistake of town thinking to nl d1 for a gun rather than lynching d1. This brings up issues of optimal play as mafia don't know each other d1, but town doesn't take advantage of that. A&D is extremely scum sided for this strategy as town may not get a gun, and they let maf learn who not to lynch/kill. A&V has fixed this a little as some players use both the gun and the lynch.

9 player, d1 mylo: These setups are the classic comp setups with bp, bomb, doc, or bg. People commonly jump to nl thinking, like the 7 person setups, that the mylo doesn't help town. With clear dying each night rather than unclear blues, town is throwing away advantages.

10 player setups: These are hard to pick apart as these tend to be a cop cc with a ml. Whichever side wins the cc gets a large advantage of 7 way of 2+ clears, or 5 lylo/7 guised lylo. I'm not quite sure if these have extreme problems, as they are ignored by current players as they are longer and harder to read as text fills up the page with 9 players alive.

Thank you for reading, and if anyone has some suggestions to help em fix this typical play talk about it here.

over 9 years
Bump, pls read if you play comp
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Duke says

anything below a 200 game sample just shows how lucky you have been.


You are assuming that this is my first account with a 60% win rate after 200 games! A severe underestimation indeed!
over 9 years
anything below a 200 game sample just shows how lucky you have been.
over 9 years
Epicmafia user Triumphant busses unnecessarily on a ML, a strategy that will result in a loss 99% of the time.
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Duke says

we can talk about highest legitimate win-rates when you have 10k points and still haven't cheated to get >70%


I said I'd have the highest win rate after a gold win, not that I'd make the hall of fame. I'm realistic in my arrogance.
over 9 years
we can talk about highest legitimate win-rates when you have 10k points and still haven't cheated to get >70%

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Duke says

why are you bragging about a 23 game sample


Because at the end of this round I will be the gold winner with the highest legitimate win-rate ever. Thanks for asking!
over 9 years
why are you bragging about a 23 game sample
over 9 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/4107499 come play O2R, triumphant
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"Ask me about my watch."
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I'm 19-4 is anyone ever going to give me a fifth loss? Am I the best player of all time?
over 9 years
i honestly thought you and wrestlerchance were mafia before the strongman flip.
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Let's talk about my win rate
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Duke says

ahaha i suck at mafia.


same
over 9 years
ahaha i suck at mafia. at least i found the second maf :3
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Duke says


ScubaSteve says

I really want to play sifting through a charade now.


https://epicmafia.com/game/4107445


Good setup.
over 9 years
your complaint about 7p dawn is it's being played incorrectly, and the rest are inferior
over 9 years

SuperNova says

What's the point?


town keeps playing sub optimally, or just plain boring. Trying this can help new players get better and win more as town.
over 9 years

ScubaSteve says

I really want to play sifting through a charade now.


https://epicmafia.com/game/4107445
over 9 years
What's the point?
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I really want to play sifting through a charade now.
over 9 years
but the doc is the miller in that setup.
over 9 years

Jaleb says


In my opinion, if B2NS had strongman over hooker, i think it would be the best setup on the site



https://epicmafia.com/setup/576057
over 9 years

Duke says

the problem you will encounter with these strats is "this setup is no fun, why is the gunsmith"


Best response i would give is if gs survives to n3 town gained a ml with 2 guns. I don't know if players have done that math. Or bp can hold the gun until he gets hit for another ml.
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Good thread.