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i'm just gonna start here by saying that when i first joined this site, back around 4 years ago, this place was interesting as heck. i played classic mafia in the training lobby and i thought i was an absolute genius anytime i got it right and as my reads and manipulations improved, and this game had some real world relevance, it wasn't just wasting time. and more, there were literal gods on this site, players who u were looking at thinking, 'there's something, there's a goal, there's competition', whatever. but that's not how it is anymore.

now u may not think it, but this game has actual intrigue. it does have a real world relevance. everyone wants to fancy themselves halfway to being a psychologist, everyone wants to fancy themselves manipulative or perceptive, this is where u come to be all those things. it's like poker. that game's never going to die because it's pitting sheer wit against sheer wit, because it's pretty much brute force warfare. poker is a game that anyone can play, supposedly, and one whose skills transfer across to pretty much anything else u want to pursue. and this game's the same. i mean we're throwing eq up alongside iq these days. this game is actual power, intelligence. so why is this site dying? it's because the idiots are taking over. i'm not even joking.

there is a huge - and i mean huge - necessity for psychological belittlement in our lives. that's what's happening here. it's like the charm in the harry potter series, 'riddikulus', that beats the boggart, makes a joke of the scary thing it's taking the form of. that's what j.k. rowling was getting at there. it's why edgy atheists are cast as 'fedoras', typically fat dudes toting katanas. it's why hitler's birthday is now international weed smoking day. it's why bad jokes are funny. heck, it's why u watch most of what u watch on tv too. it's why manchester united, 'the red devils', made such an absolute fortune. it's why we put monsters on cereal boxes. and so on, and so on, and so on. most of what we do is towards psychological belittlement. it creates pretty much every monster and angel and just everything. and that's what's happening here. this game had the legs swept out from underneath it. we're all playing strip poker now. we're all just laughing idiots now.

training lobby should never have been removed. fancy pants shouldn't exist. reverse mafia shouldn't ever have existed. the comp lobby should have stayed forever the place that good player went to play serious mafia. instead the whole site is just one big sandbox now. everyone has a trophy from a bunch of dumb lobbies. the fame page is a joke, just a random scattering of names. worse even, the only thing that's really very instantly relatable with on the fame page is the 'highest total score' chart, basically telling any new player who arrives here that this site is just dumb as heck and all we really reward is being here for a longass time. lucid got it into his head that he was making the most money out of this site being a social place i guess, and now it's dying because he tried to make a quick buck. i mean when was the last time anyone half decent showed up? there's no other explanation for their not showing up anymore but that this site doesn't have any punch anymore. and now the site's just wilting away in general because it's already conquered before even joining it. even the idiots are joining and thinking this site is dumb. no need to fret, no need to waste my time. but whatever i guess. i just think it's sort of a shame. guns and bombs and orcs and fiddlers. nobody's going to play through any of that stuff thinking they're actually learning something. bring back the cop and the doc and the plain old mafia, let people think they're training to be heroes or b-astards again. but whatever i guess. pandering to the bunch of idiots we have on the site currently only buys us that bunch of idiots.

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In reality, technically


Lol
about 10 years
in reality, technically the average skill level has gone up.

fancy pants is a much harder setup to learn the basics of than classic or fool training. we see a lot of roleswapping and hypo-ing that was literally improbable to ever see in classic or any other old mainstay of training lobby.


the skill 'cap' really doesn't exist, but you're right in saying that there are less 10/10 players out there, because their opponents tend to be less ambitious.

since it's a social/psychological game, that's just how it is.

but all in all, i'd say the games played in main lobby are pretty much the best form of mafia ever. only bronze lobby's DLYV games are comparable, which were maybe better. hard to say..

regardless, comp lobby was by no means superior. maybe the skill level was higher, but that doesnt translate to the games being more enjoyable, exciting, or even skillful. you have nostalgic bias, and comp lobby was pretty empty for a lot of its last months. the elitism stagnated the playing style and forced redundancies on the metagame that were often non-optimal and just the preferred methodology of the dominant group that played a given setup.
about 10 years
I miss the epicmafia from two years ago, before people like arcbell ever came here.
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tldr lol
about 10 years
Man the game was so much fun having to battle against the highest of players, the strategies used became insane at times and winning against the best competition left a nice feeling.
about 10 years
on a serious note, oh wait i was being 100% serious with that comment, pretty much everything he said is right. There's really no point in playing the game anymore with the site the way it is designed, there's no objective with the hall of fame becoming an absolute joke and there's no way to weed out the serious players and complete troll noobies. Sure you'd get a couple in the competitive lobby, but it's no where near how many you get today causing a huge decline in skill cap because a majority of the table you're playing with are idiots
about 10 years
arcbell you are one of the idiots he's talking about
about 10 years
what happened to this site, by Orly

lucidrains stopped caring about it

the end
about 10 years
all jokes aside, i feel that what you're evoking is more a sentiment that we can regard the internet at large with.

the more a site grows, the more the demographic changes, until eventually, all the charisma and dynamism is gone. all that's left is cynicism, irony, and some cult of fanatics that obsess over it all.

but maybe im just musing.

in any case, i -did- say this was going to happen, and i -was- right all along. just saying.

this is epicmafia's final form, boys and girls.
about 10 years
so what you're saying is,

i won the war.
about 10 years

TheOnlyJazznation1 says


Sirius says

that's gay dude


No! I meant it in the non- gay, totally str8 manly man way


he likes gay though so its ok
about 10 years

Sirius says

that's gay dude


No! I meant it in the non- gay, totally str8 manly man way
about 10 years
thoreau who?
about 10 years
wow lmao
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vilden says

Sirius, youdaman


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that's gay dude
about 10 years
Sirius, youdaman
about 10 years
I'll fix your broken heart sirius. ;)
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so u can't fix my broken heart?
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Sirius says

i wasn't really frustrated, i was just showing off lol. how's life dannie? still a heart surgeon?


i was never a heart surgeon! and its okay.. exam time is here again... so im back again :3
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i wasn't really frustrated, i was just showing off lol. how's life dannie? still a heart surgeon?
about 10 years

Sirius says

hi dannie~


dont be so frustrated, all things come and go ^_^
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hi dannie~
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hi sirus~
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"i'm just gonna start here by saying that when i first joined this site, back around 4 years ago, this place was interesting as heck. i played classic mafia in the training lobby and i thought i was an absolute genius anytime i got it right and as my reads and manipulations improved, and this game had some real world relevance, it wasn't just wasting time. and more, there were literal gods on this site, players who u were looking at thinking, 'there's something, there's a goal, there's competition', whatever. but that's not how it is anymore."

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