Second quote is irrelevant. That's negligence ISP.
I was using the target of the lynch not as a definition but an example. Not participating in the game is not the definition however.Not participating sufficiently is. Like I said before, I don't mind if you truly think that those 8 min where he only crossed really were that game changing and insufficient, and that even if he came back after the cross he couldn't save himself from ISP. I completely disagree with that, considering he actively participated the other 20 min of the games that were in the day and his presence in that day wasn't really relevant, unlike in the next day which would be the 3 way. I think if he came back after vote he wouldn't have gotten ISP. If you don't, that's okay.
What I'm saying is, how the heck can you use the post-vote activity when he vegged as support for ISP? That's completely the fault of the KL not him. Had he not been KL'd he wouldn't even been reported
deletedover 9 years
The fact is that I had to KL since I couldn't chance veg'ing the game since he voted right at the end of the previous day. The game COULDN'T be made unranked, he particpated insufficiently. I don't know what you're doing
deletedover 9 years
It doesn't matter at all if he was a target or not. He still did not participate in his game and that's the definition of Insufficient Participation.
"Not participating sufficiently over the course of a game and/or an undefined period of time when addressed by another player..."
"Violation may also be applied if a user causes a loss due to a lack of game-related effort."
No had he come back then it wouldn't have been enough for ISP, considering he wasn't the target of the lynch and he participated the other days and the start of that one
Edit: if you disagree with me solely on this part, however, then I don't mind that opinion at all. But the post-vote shouldn't count towards isp
deletedover 9 years
He still insufficiently participated before the veg. He should have realized he wouldn't be able to come back. By silent voting at the end of a day he ISP'ed on, he made it ISP.
At the point in time he thought he could come back so he voted. This wasn't true so he vegged. What would you expect him to do? He literally did what you're supposed to do, that is, participate until you can and then veg.
Literally the real problem is he got KL'd. Otherwise it would have gone unranked
deletedover 9 years
If he just let himself veg on that day he would be in no trouble, but he continued to try to participate, and that's why he got ISP.
deletedover 9 years
Teh point
deletedover 9 years
Why did he vote to continue if he knew he probably wouldn't be able to come back
deletedover 9 years
No the point is that he participated insufficiently, by uhh - doing sod all. He kept the game on but failed to vote the next day, after a speed night, and didn't make any posts. That's not sufficient participation
Yeah I know this, I edited the when to the day, which is what I meant.
You're not getting the point. He's allowed to come back from that 8 min brb if he could make it to 3 way, which is what he clearly tried to do, but then he couldn't so he vegged. If you don't believe him it's a GRS. If you believe him he did what he's supposed to do when someone leaves for long, veg or suicide
I don't understand the isp because look at my days before the BRB. I was very active. I came back to cross for spit.....then was hoping i'd be back in time to participate if I made it to three way. this did not happen. I get KL. not sure why this is isp just saying.
deletedover 9 years
21:48 WolfBlitz... guys brb
[silence, i.e. no posts, ISP]
Kicks
circa 29:55
WolfBlitzer votes bouy46
deletedover 9 years
No, he BRB'd at the start of the day and made a vote rigth at the end of the day, at kicks. Before not making any other subsequent posts after a 20-odd second night
He BRB'd second to last day which is the day he voted, and after which he did not talk after on the next day and vegged.
If he is not to be believed, and was really there all along, i would suggest a GRS instead, since he vegged. Point is you can't give ISP to someone that vegged. He doesn't seem like a liar to me though.
deletedover 9 years
I really don't know what motivates you to log in regularly solely to lambaste moderator decisions over the most banal of matters
deletedover 9 years
Hm - actually, he did ISP for two days straight while voting to prevent himself from veg'ing which led me to believe, after resetting the votes a couple of times, and stalling the day, that he was - in fact, lying.
ISP is meant for those that are there just voting and not actually participating.
If the person has to brb and then catches up with the game it's fine. If they leave too long to catch up then you can give them ISP but vegging/suiciding is literally what you're supposed to do if you can't participate.
Let's say wolf actually did come back at the last second. Then what would you, as a mod, tell them to do? Suicide or veg, of course, to avoid ISP. Which he did.
If the ISP is accidental, when you come back you MUST be able to avoid getting a violation by vegging. That's the whole point of it. And he did. Vegging is the way out of ISP, you can't give them ISP, it's not their fault they did.
You said it yourself, if you had to go, suicide. Vegging is literally the equivalent. It's not his fault he got KL'd. Up until the first vote he was trying to get back and catch up. He was unsuccessful and vegged. That's life.
