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over 9 years

These kids have been yakking and killing the same guy to unrank the game D1 which is obviously against the rules otherwise everyone would do it every game and there'd never be a game going on in that setup.

I think it should be considered gamethrowing rather than trolling because by yak-killing they are putting themselves into autoloss which is playing against their win condition.

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883846/review -GT vio for Edgy and Obnoxious

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883852/review -GT vio for Petermh and smnx

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883861/review -GT vio for Petermh and bouy

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883870/review -GT vio for smnx and comehither

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883900/review -GT vio for smnx and Flea

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883909/review -GT vio for Flea

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883932/review -GT vio for Edgy and reddit

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883934/review -GT vio for Edgy and reddit

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883942/review -GT vio for Flea and arizzofan

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883962/review -GT vio for smnx and reddit

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883965/review -GT vio for Bryan123 and Edgy

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883982/review -GT vio for Litherman11 and reddit

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883984/review -GT vio for sheriffpuppy and tubby

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883988/review -GT vio for Wake and Homu

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883991/review -GT vio for Wake and Reddit

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883994/review -GT vio for Wake and Homu

https://epicmafia.com/game/3883998/review -GT vio for Sheriffpuppy and Litherman11

https://epicmafia.com/game/3884013/review -GT vio for john1998 and Homu

I don't have enough alts to report all these guys so I'll help you mods out:

  • Flea/Obnoxious/Wake = 7 GT vios (Lobby ban)
  • reddit = 5 GT vios (Lobby ban)
  • Snxm = 4 GT vios (Lobby ban)
  • Edgy = 4 GT vios (Lobby ban)
  • Homu = 3 GT vios (Lobby ban)
  • Litherman11 = 2 GT vios
  • Sheriffpuppy = 2 GT vios
  • Petermh = 2 GT vios
  • bouy = 1 GT vio
  • comehither = 1 GT vio
  • arizzofan = 1 GT vio
  • Tubby = 1 GT vio
  • john1998 = 1 GT vio
deletedover 9 years
It's almost like DYK was specifically made into GT'ing... 2-3 years ago? Under Laexio, I do believe.
thebrontosaurus
over 9 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1181020
Satan
over 9 years
ban it, ban them all
thebrontosaurus
over 9 years
welp it was 55/45 last time i checked. woops.
Steven
over 9 years
51% town win is imbalanced?

You can't even "yak someone so they get less points", the little point difference there is, whoever you yak gets more points. So yeah
thebrontosaurus
over 9 years

Steven says

At allowing people to reroll:

Doing this intentionally is against the rules, so it is already taken care of

At changing people's alignments/throwing:

This setup is must act, is it not? Therefore everything you suggest is irrelevant because it can't happen. Wouldn't warrant a ban on yakuza anyway


Setup is imbalanced anyway, you can yak someone to change how many points they'd potentially win on N1.

We're looking at different solutions to the same problem. I'd rather ban a setup and a bad role than ban people for abusing it.
thebrontosaurus
over 9 years

Slow says


thebrontosaurus says


Slow says

look at the minimod here amirite guys?????? haha jkjk.


i've sent in like 6 applications, why hasn't Jasper responded to me yet?


jasper's all about the #nepotism, better luck next year bro.


do you think if i follow him around and give him lots of praise he'll notice me? i have sent additional PMs of reports I've done with short essays outlining my thought process on common GRS, ISP and GT violations.
Steven
over 9 years

thebrontosaurus says


Steven says


thebrontosaurus says

Just don't allow yakuza in comp and then this won't happen.


Don't allow gun setups that way people don't shoot so freely

Don't allow setups with verifiable clears so that people don't just sheep them

Don't allow setups with meteor so that people don't draw the game

Don't allow...

No, stop. Just because there's situations you don't like doesn't mean it's okay to ban a whole role


all those situations are fine because they don't unrank games and allow people to re-roll. Yakuza changes your win condition in the middle of a game and enables people to throw against people in ways that wouldn't be traditionally considering throwing within the scope of the rules, like yakking someone who is running when you're in autoloss or yakking them so the win less points, etc.

Pranay makes a good point - it does appeal to different skill sets, but they're not really well suited for the way the competition is formated. I personally really enjoy DLYV and think it's a fun time, but it really doesn't belong in competition. If the competition was organized a bit differently, then I could see it working.

I made an announcement on DYK but it got deleted with the old forums, rip.


At allowing people to reroll:

Doing this intentionally is against the rules, so it is already taken care of

At changing people's alignments/throwing:

This setup is must act, is it not? Therefore everything you suggest is irrelevant because it can't happen. Wouldn't warrant a ban on yakuza anyway
OmniscentChaos
over 9 years
So are those people listed in OP going to be given violations or what, they should be.
deletedover 9 years

thebrontosaurus says


Slow says

look at the minimod here amirite guys?????? haha jkjk.


i've sent in like 6 applications, why hasn't Jasper responded to me yet?


jasper's all about the #nepotism, better luck next year bro.
thebrontosaurus
over 9 years
mod me, and i'll bring about the changes that the site needs. It will be through my sole effort that the site will rise to the glory it once had. it's been going downhill for so long, my modship will change it. i'm certain of it.
thebrontosaurus
over 9 years

Slow says

look at the minimod here amirite guys?????? haha jkjk.


i've sent in like 6 applications, why hasn't Jasper responded to me yet?
deletedover 9 years
look at the minimod here amirite guys?????? haha jkjk.
OmniscentChaos
over 9 years
This is gamethrowing, hand out them GT vios
thebrontosaurus
over 9 years

Steven says


thebrontosaurus says

Just don't allow yakuza in comp and then this won't happen.


Don't allow gun setups that way people don't shoot so freely

Don't allow setups with verifiable clears so that people don't just sheep them

Don't allow setups with meteor so that people don't draw the game

Don't allow...

No, stop. Just because there's situations you don't like doesn't mean it's okay to ban a whole role


all those situations are fine because they don't unrank games and allow people to re-roll. Yakuza changes your win condition in the middle of a game and enables people to throw against people in ways that wouldn't be traditionally considering throwing within the scope of the rules, like yakking someone who is running when you're in autoloss or yakking them so the win less points, etc.

Pranay makes a good point - it does appeal to different skill sets, but they're not really well suited for the way the competition is formated. I personally really enjoy DLYV and think it's a fun time, but it really doesn't belong in competition. If the competition was organized a bit differently, then I could see it working.

I made an announcement on DYK but it got deleted with the old forums, rip.
Sonrio
over 9 years
lylo day 1 setups are fun
pranay7744
over 9 years
this is gt. Also i would not run on this setup as it is very uncertain. but that does not mean that it does not require scumhunting. It is a fine setup for people to make use of their weird skills. Every setup appeals to certain kind of skills.
Giga13
over 9 years

Hibiki says

PETERMH IS STILL UNBANNED? YOU SERIOUS?

Steven
over 9 years
DYK is not something new, and it's an abuse of the N1 unrank mechanic. It's already been outlawed before. There was no reason to decomp a setup for something that was already known when the setup was comped.

If the issue is as big as it seems, mods need to make an announcement and put the setup back. As for the people that already abused it and didn't get any violations, mods can pick whether they be lenient with them and count all the games as one violation/note (since they didn't know otherwise) or just outright give them the appropriate amount of vios. Post announcement, they handle things as normal
deletedover 9 years

Steven says


thebrontosaurus says

Just don't allow yakuza in comp and then this won't happen.


Don't allow gun setups that way people don't shoot so freely

Don't allow setups with verifiable clears so that people don't just sheep them

Don't allow setups with meteor so that people don't draw the game

Don't allow...

No, stop. Just because there's situations you don't like doesn't mean it's okay to ban a whole role


Steven my man
deletedover 9 years
no those are two different situations, jesus christ stop tryna throw shade everytime someone wants to disallow a role in the lobby.
Steven
over 9 years
Double yak killing (DYK) is against the rules. Just enforce it.

Make an announcement if you need to.
Hibiki
over 9 years
PETERMH IS STILL UNBANNED? YOU SERIOUS?
Steven
over 9 years

thebrontosaurus says

Just don't allow yakuza in comp and then this won't happen.


Don't allow gun setups that way people don't shoot so freely

Don't allow setups with verifiable clears so that people don't just sheep them

Don't allow setups with meteor so that people don't draw the game

Don't allow...

No, stop. Just because there's situations you don't like doesn't mean it's okay to ban a whole role
xela
over 9 years
how is this against the rules?