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Stop Orcing the Watcher!

Onuzq
about 10 years

For all of those who play VDLI, how many times did you orc the fellow pr? The answer should be 0. That should be the same in WwtW! The reason why you shouldn't orc the watcher is that town will hopefully do a reasonable cc with the watcher/watched, and the person that you orc'd will be naked to have the hammer. This is also giving a guarantee for a clear in f3 if the watcher is real as the naked blue will be left. I'm getting tired of stupid orcs who orc the other pr and let maf an extra advantage when they don't need to.

Know How To Orc
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I know how to orc now.
Clair
about 10 years
optimal play as oracle is to oracle the person you want removed from the game by the next day
Anthony
about 10 years
Optimal play is to orc a townread who you think might get lynched. If they are town, then you have a guarenteed double CC, which can lead to plenty of partner interactions.
apeescaper
about 10 years
i've lost at least 3 games this round because watcher was janned and everyone followed the mafia.
DarkSkull
about 10 years
it depends on what situation the town is in whether you orc the watcher claim or not. sometimes it's good to orc the watcher claim, other times it isn't.
Sims
about 10 years
yeah, because if he's real and you didnt lynch the mafia day 1, you're in a great position
gerksterr
about 10 years


For all of those who play VDLI, how many times did you orc the fellow pr? The answer should be 0. That should be the same in WwtW!


if both prs are alive d2, orcing the watcher is clearly the optimal choice though.
Thomas
about 10 years
Watcher is almost never fake, stop being paranoid.
animegayboy69
about 10 years
has this actually become commonplace? unbelievable.
Onuzq
about 10 years

apeescaper says

Your argument is that if you don't Orc watcher, there's a small chance that there will be a clear on day 3.

Statistically speaking, 3 way Lylo with no clears is a better situation than 2 lynches between Ccs.


There is a guaranteed chance there will be a clear on the f3 unless orc picked the mafia that visited.

Statistically speaking, a watcher will be a real 4/5 times in f5.
apeescaper
about 10 years
Your argument is that if you don't Orc watcher, there's a small chance that there will be a clear on day 3.

Statistically speaking, 3 way Lylo with no clears is a better situation than 2 lynches between Ccs.
Onuzq
about 10 years
If the orc was on the maf that the watcher saw.
Onuzq
about 10 years

apeescaper says

Orcing the watcher will always give you a confirmed mafia.

Assuming watcher knows what he's doing


Cool that works when you have one mafia, but what about the other? Lynching one mafia doesn't win a game.
apeescaper
about 10 years
Also if you Orc a mafia, there's a chance they led the kill and watcher has a useless report and there will be 3 way Lylo anyways.
apeescaper
about 10 years
Orcing the watcher will always give you a confirmed mafia.

Assuming watcher knows what he's doing
Onuzq
about 10 years
How about this idea: Watcher will always force a cc against him. That means someone that is clear can hammer between him/cc.

Either the naked blue, or the 3rd person not in the cc during f3.
mandevian
about 10 years
if you wanna be objective on strategies rather than being subjective, then you will have to do a lot of reading and research. i am the only one who can be objective about strategies. also it depends on the situation in game whether you orc the other pr or not.
Peta
about 10 years
Why can't you read
brownpimp007
about 10 years
There are watchers in VDLI now?
deletedabout 10 years
it's not a bad strategy, it just ensures a quick fiveway. i personally would rather just try to orc the mafia that didn't visit first :-)
Onuzq
about 10 years

Rutab says

0 People should be orc'ing PR in VDLI
Orcing the watching is a good thing to do in WwtW


Orc on the watcher gives town 0 clears in f3.
deletedabout 10 years
0 People should be orc'ing PR in VDLI
Orcing the watching is a good thing to do in WwtW