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Stop Orcing the Watcher!

about 10 years

For all of those who play VDLI, how many times did you orc the fellow pr? The answer should be 0. That should be the same in WwtW! The reason why you shouldn't orc the watcher is that town will hopefully do a reasonable cc with the watcher/watched, and the person that you orc'd will be naked to have the hammer. This is also giving a guarantee for a clear in f3 if the watcher is real as the naked blue will be left. I'm getting tired of stupid orcs who orc the other pr and let maf an extra advantage when they don't need to.

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I know how to orc now.
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Thomas says


Eatos says

You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.


If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?


Imagine if watcher doesn't fake guilty.
about 10 years

Legendary says


Thomas says


Eatos says

You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.


If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?


Watcher could be janned obviously.


There's a ML so if watcher's janned and scum's fake guilty is lynched, the scum that fake claimed watcher gets lynched the next day. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former.
about 10 years
How about you orc your fos? That tends to work
about 10 years
I dislike the whole "PR claims PR" method of the setup. If watcher's janned it's a 1/5 chance to lynch scum D1 while giving scum influence on the lynch.
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Legendary says


Thomas says


Eatos says

You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.


If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?


Watcher could be janned obviously.


then you friggin lynch him the next day dimwit.
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Thomas says


Eatos says

You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.


If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?


Watcher could be janned obviously.
about 10 years

Sims says

alternatively, mafia hits orc n2 and the orc orcs the mafia that isnt in the watcher report for autowin


if mafia hits orc n2, both prs aren't alive d2.
about 10 years

Eatos says

You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.


If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?
about 10 years
You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.
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orc yourself
about 10 years

eris says


Giga13 says

Orc who you think is mafia imo


Entry-level tactic, the obvious tactic is to throw so hard it becomes a non-throw.


It's ridiculous how many times this gets past mods too
about 10 years
alternatively, mafia hits orc n2 and the orc orcs the mafia that isnt in the watcher report for autowin
about 10 years

Sims says

yeah, because if he's real and you didnt lynch the mafia day 1, you're in a great position


if both prs are alive d2 and you can still orc, you have lynched exactly 1 mafia (should have said n3, but ns are confusing because of dawnstarts). watcher has no reason not to be on you. if mafia is in blues watcher will have maf and will also be clear. if watcher is mafia he'll be naked maf.

if you orc blue, fake watcher can push on fake guilty, fake blue can push on janned watcher.
about 10 years
As oracle, oracle no one and get janned n1 for the ultimate way to win.
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Giga13 says

Orc who you think is mafia imo


Entry-level tactic, the obvious tactic is to throw so hard it becomes a non-throw.
about 10 years
Orc who you think is mafia imo
about 10 years
oracle yourself n1 in case you get janned, that way there is no risk of accidentally revealing teh watcher
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Oracling no one is gamethrowing; that's why I always orc myself to double check I'm not miller.
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RodBrouhard2jpg says

iracle no one andd wait for reaction

about 10 years
glad we have the pros weighing in on this
about 10 years
iracle no one andd wait for reaction
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no-orc, imo.
about 10 years
A good tactic as oracle in WWTW is to oracle the person you think is mafia
about 10 years

Connor says

optimal play as oracle is to oracle the person you want removed from the game by the next day


they...won't necessarily be removed from the game in wwtw, though. entirely possible they end up cleared and having hammer on lylo, and there are some people you absolutely do not want to hand that task to
about 10 years

apeescaper says

i've lost at least 3 games this round because watcher was janned and everyone followed the mafia.


thats because some people think its a good idea to role swap d2. i've seen it plenty of times where orc claims watcher and gives hammer to the jan.