I guess, it's risky though since you're basically committing kamikaze on the bleeder and leaving your partner to fly solo through a ML.
Btw, just to make this clear - gold heart games will always be moderated more strictly than reds given the nature and skill level of those who typically play in them.
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but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
well if they shoot bleeder after everyone votes its considered a somewhat viable strategy right?
i mean if there is some text before the hipfire, its not really hipfire, is it?
Everybody's definition of it is different, but the rule change is pretty much so we can read more into the intent of the shot instead of just automatically nailing them with a GT vio because of the timing.
yeah caroline tbh i think it can fall under both bc its entirely too subjective. with lucid's stance on it tho maybe trolling should be the violation given to discourage users from hipfiring?? since they wanna be more lenient and gamethrowing is the harsher vio
Yeah it's tougher to say whether they threw by hipfiring - there are a lot of cases that come up where someone shoots early in the day based off nothing and then plays to their win condition fully throughout the day. Trolling is more appropriate since it's really just disruptive and bad. You can still play to your win condition if you hipfire, it's just stupid to do so.
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Hipfiring definitely isn't going to be an automatic GT violation anymore, oficially starting now. It's going to be a lot more subjective, and like anything else whether they intentionally trolled or gamethrew is going to be at the forefront. In most cases it will probably be considered trolling, but I'm sure it could fall under gamethrowing or bad play depending on the circumstances.
how can that be?
if someone fires the minute they see the gun, lets say 0 seconds, and no text has been said, its the same every single time. how can you judge intent based on that and differentiate between legitimate and not legitimate gameplay?
not that hipfiring is every really legitimate.
see how the rest of the game is played out to see what the intent was, but i would think it is more trolling than actual gamethrow
Hipfiring definitely isn't going to be an automatic GT violation anymore, oficially starting now. It's going to be a lot more subjective, and like anything else whether they intentionally trolled or gamethrew is going to be at the forefront. In most cases it will probably be considered trolling, but I'm sure it could fall under gamethrowing or bad play depending on the circumstances.
how can that be?
if someone fires the minute they see the gun, lets say 0 seconds, and no text has been said, its the same every single time. how can you judge intent based on that and differentiate between legitimate and not legitimate gameplay?
yeah caroline tbh i think it can fall under both bc its entirely too subjective. with lucid's stance on it tho maybe trolling should be the violation given to discourage users from hipfiring?? since they wanna be more lenient and gamethrowing is the harsher vio
Hipfiring definitely isn't going to be an automatic GT violation anymore, oficially starting now. It's going to be a lot more subjective, and like anything else whether they intentionally trolled or gamethrew is going to be at the forefront. In most cases it will probably be considered trolling, but I'm sure it could fall under gamethrowing or bad play depending on the circumstances.
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wasnt there a debate about whether to call hipfiring trolling over gt?
Why do you need to have an extra rule for hipfiring? GT is GT, give people violations when they GT whether it be via hip firing or not. Making an extra rule only allows mods to make excuses so that they're not appealed by looking at things "objectively" instead of case by case.
When the rule was made hipfiring meant shooting before anyone said anything and it just kept growing and growing by precedent. I remember I used to talk with some of the mods to tell them to sto the others pbut I grew tired of people just taking the easy way out instead so I kinda forgot about it for a while. Lucid talked so I'm restating my points now that people are actually going to listen