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Precedent: Mod Don't Refund Meteors

deletedabout 11 years

Can someone explain me how the meteor/refund works now? I seriously don't understand. Mafia had possibility to win and they decided to hit the clear who'd always be saved by doc. The rest of town (and graveyard), couldn't do anything about that loss.

Game in cause: https://epicmafia.com/game/3297181/review

No refund: https://epicmafia.com/report/106405

Mafia who forced meteor: https://epicmafia.com/report/106391 https://epicmafia.com/report/106392

Basically, if you don't refund mafia forcing meteor(which is BS by the way) then what the f*** about town? We couldn't do anything besides lynch into 4 way which was suboptimal, it was not OUR job to lynch or kill..it was mafias. That's why they got the damn violation. Why does town need a loss because mafia felt like forcing meteor? If you're setting a new precedent of not refunding meteors, can I throw against someone as town when I'm mafia by forcing it and you won't refund it?

Another question for other readers: have you ever had a meteor forced and got a refund?

For the record: Town was probably gonna win. A few mods I spoke with agree this is a refund. It's even funnier that a mod(Giga) had to appeal and ask for the refund

deletedabout 11 years

Steven says

I honestly don't understand why hitting the doc save would be considered GT for mafia. Didn't read the game but that was one of the reports no?

There's more than enough reason to believe doc would not save on meteor night after all


They kept doing it though, continuously, I think they would've realized doc was going to keep saving the towns clear. Doc could've no doc'd or random docced but it seems like a rather dubious for them to surrender the towns clear. Maf wasn't on autoloss targeting another townie or trying to hit doc?
Steven
about 11 years
I honestly don't understand why hitting the doc save would be considered GT for mafia. Didn't read the game but that was one of the reports no?

There's more than enough reason to believe doc would not save on meteor night after all
deletedabout 11 years
If I hipfire when I ml wrong and lead town into a loss or out my scum partners when a game gets hard, do I get my heart back if I get the refund? Yes I do. But it's not everyone elses fault. If we were going to lose anyway? No refund. If we had a chance to win or were likely going to win, it's a refund. This game was the latter.
deletedabout 11 years

ark says

The reason for the precedent is say there is 1 doc 2 blues and a mafia and it is meteor on town, town suddenly decide that nling into meteor is fine because it will be refunded anyway.

Or for example meteor is on mafia in this situation and they both decide well we can just force the meteor and it will be refunded and idc about a gamethrowing vio.

It's to discourage people from just giving up thinking they will just have the game refunded and get out of the situation they are in.

I am not going to comment on this game, I will wait till a team decision is made, I am explaining the reason for the precedent.


Town was not playing for a refund, if mafia was that is NOT towns fault. We waited for mafia to kill, yeah we slightly assumed it was a refund otherwise but since its GT TO NOT kill for mafia we thought they would. We wanted to play. We weren't playing for a refund - If mafia was being low, that's not towns fault once again. Your train of thought is wrong. Mafia forcing meteor for a refund, or even town doing the same is JUST as bad as someone throwing in a different way - they still get their heart back if it gets refunded. So what? It's no different than refunding thrown games that were caused by something ~besides~ meteor.
deletedabout 11 years

uneasy says

https://epicmafia.com/game/3104458/review refunded meteor game. just a few rounds ago, this was not the only one.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/0cbncbrv2kebb3m/3104458.json?dl=1
ark
about 11 years
The reason for the precedent is say there is 1 doc 2 blues and a mafia and it is meteor on town, town suddenly decide that nling into meteor is fine because it will be refunded anyway.

Or for example meteor is on mafia in this situation and they both decide well we can just force the meteor and it will be refunded and idc about a gamethrowing vio.

It's to discourage people from just giving up thinking they will just have the game refunded and get out of the situation they are in.

I am not going to comment on this game, I will wait till a team decision is made, I am explaining the reason for the precedent.
CharlesMark
about 11 years
QQ
deletedabout 11 years
rude charles
CharlesMark
about 11 years
beat u to it XD
deletedabout 11 years
no. it wasn't autoloss for mafia, therefore the doc saving on meteor night is not GT. it was only GT from doc if they saved when mafia had autoloss otherwise
CharlesMark
about 11 years

Venus says

Not unless you want to give the doc a gt vio as well


the doc didn't throw because the doc was in autoloss. the mafia threw because the mafia was in autowin. its too simple to comprehend maybe?
deletedabout 11 years
Not unless you want to give the doc a gt vio as well
deletedabout 11 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/3104458/review refunded meteor game. just a few rounds ago, this was not the only one.
deletedabout 11 years
Uh the Mafia didn't throw
deletedabout 11 years
meteor was on mafia it's not autoloss to hit outside of the save and aim for doc therefore it should be refunded
CharlesMark
about 11 years
even if you have a special rule about meteor refunds, it doesn't apply here if you apply any degree of common sense.
CharlesMark
about 11 years
ya this makes zero sense

games that are thrown (which are otherwise a guaranteed win in comp) must be refunded in all fairness to anyone involved