Can someone explain me how the meteor/refund works now? I seriously don't understand. Mafia had possibility to win and they decided to hit the clear who'd always be saved by doc. The rest of town (and graveyard), couldn't do anything about that loss.
Basically, if you don't refund mafia forcing meteor(which is BS by the way) then what the f*** about town? We couldn't do anything besides lynch into 4 way which was suboptimal, it was not OUR job to lynch or kill..it was mafias. That's why they got the damn violation. Why does town need a loss because mafia felt like forcing meteor? If you're setting a new precedent of not refunding meteors, can I throw against someone as town when I'm mafia by forcing it and you won't refund it?
Another question for other readers: have you ever had a meteor forced and got a refund?
For the record: Town was probably gonna win. A few mods I spoke with agree this is a refund. It's even funnier that a mod(Giga) had to appeal and ask for the refund
deleteddeletedabout 12 years ago
They kept doing it though, continuously, I think they would've realized doc was going to keep saving the towns clear. Doc could've no doc'd or random docced but it seems like a rather dubious for them to surrender the towns clear. Maf wasn't on autoloss targeting another townie or trying to hit doc?
I honestly don't understand why hitting the doc save would be considered GT for mafia. Didn't read the game but that was one of the reports no?
There's more than enough reason to believe doc would not save on meteor night after all
deleteddeletedabout 12 years agoedited
If I hipfire when I ml wrong and lead town into a loss or out my scum partners when a game gets hard, do I get my heart back if I get the refund? Yes I do. But it's not everyone elses fault. If we were going to lose anyway? No refund. If we had a chance to win or were likely going to win, it's a refund. This game was the latter.
deleteddeletedabout 12 years ago
Town was not playing for a refund, if mafia was that is NOT towns fault. We waited for mafia to kill, yeah we slightly assumed it was a refund otherwise but since its GT TO NOT kill for mafia we thought they would. We wanted to play. We weren't playing for a refund - If mafia was being low, that's not towns fault once again. Your train of thought is wrong. Mafia forcing meteor for a refund, or even town doing the same is JUST as bad as someone throwing in a different way - they still get their heart back if it gets refunded. So what? It's no different than refunding thrown games that were caused by something ~besides~ meteor.
The reason for the precedent is say there is 1 doc 2 blues and a mafia and it is meteor on town, town suddenly decide that nling into meteor is fine because it will be refunded anyway.
Or for example meteor is on mafia in this situation and they both decide well we can just force the meteor and it will be refunded and idc about a gamethrowing vio.
It's to discourage people from just giving up thinking they will just have the game refunded and get out of the situation they are in.
I am not going to comment on this game, I will wait till a team decision is made, I am explaining the reason for the precedent.
no. it wasn't autoloss for mafia, therefore the doc saving on meteor night is not GT. it was only GT from doc if they saved when mafia had autoloss otherwise
