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This topic was largely inspired by epicmafia.com/topic/16463 in case you want some background. To quickly summarize, I was suspended for 12 hours without being asked for my side of the case for something that was highly debatable and imo not worth any punishment. That topic brought up several issues which need to be addressed.

1) As EM is now there are no formally written rules which describe what constituents as cheating, trolling or undesirable behavior in general. Rules need to be created and they need to be made available to the public.

Things to consider:

Metagaming and to what extent is it acceptable What is trolling? How do you deal with suicides? What are proper punishments for varying acts? Is "neg-bombing" allowed or is it an abuse of power?

2) Unilateral powers of the mods. As of now there is nothing a player can do if they have been unjustly punished aside from complain. This is in conjunction with the previous points makes EM more oligarchical than democratic and holds Lucid and the mods as the supreme rulers. Issues such as consistency of punishment, fairness and so forth come up.

The solidarity of the mods are also a problem. In the link above you see something very interesting. Germ, the one who suspended me was very dismissive of the generous amounts of writing I made to clearly express my case; they seemed only interested in what would defend their position. That is a players vs mods where mods have to cover up and help each other regardless of the truth.

How were the mods picked? I do not remember any sort of voting process. If it was a matter of friendship and likability we have another problem, even if it was Lucids decision.

3) Bullying and meanness. If you look at the game in question you will see an onslaught of rude and angry comments directed toward me. If you look at the forum topic you will see this as well especially in the beginning. And furthermore this is the internet where people suddenly have big balls cause of the safety/anonymity. The issue of cyber bullying is a serious one. It is present in EM somewhat and it needs to be addressed. To me, this single issue is more important than any of the other ones and ties directly into the rules. Do we want to accept cyber bullying behavior? As it is we punish people for trolling but not for being cruel to another human being. Imo we ought to have a rule and a harsh corresponding punishment for offenders. Such ways of acting are simply unjustifiable.

I would like this topic to get stickyed so we can get these issues really noticed and completely resolved.

over 13 years
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O Crank, you are the best.
over 13 years
No he didn't but as I stated earlier they were justified at the time in my opinion. I would have done the same thing, probably to the same outcome. If I didn't agree with what germ did I would have talked to him over msn and if he was adamant stayed out of it.
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No, I did not know.
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wonderland•19 seconds
Well I guess I could have worded it differently, I was meaning that the actions against Leonardo were all justified.

Did lucid tell you guys to agree with and support each other no matter how wrong you might be for the sake of solidarity, or is this an independent enterprise?
over 13 years
Leonardo you did know I was a mod in the game we played last night?
over 13 years
Well I guess I could have worded it differently, I was meaning that the actions against Leonardo were all justified. Since that is what started all of this.
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And I had no idea you were a mod wonderland. No matter you have been from the very beginning totally on Germs side.
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Germatron•2 hours 51 minutes
and Ive concluded youre not furrball

LOLOLOL WHAT A REVELATION.
deletedover 13 years
The key word was all, and i was referring to a different event :P
over 13 years
At the time his actions were justified in my opinion. I mean I would have done the same thing. I guess it was Leo's opinion, so I wont lock the new one *rolls eyes*
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"But now it just looks like you all "have each others backs". All for one and one for all, right?"

This
deletedover 13 years
Leonardo was just expressing his personal opinion on something, and whether you like it or not, you locking that thread will only make things worse
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I don't think locking that thread was a very good idea...I disagreed with the aim, although the "his actions were all justified" has already been proven wrong. But now it just looks like you all "have each others backs". All for one and one for all, right?
over 13 years
Agreed with vigoroth.
deletedover 13 years
Eh, you shouldn't have locked it, IMO.
over 13 years
Just adding this because of wonderland locking the other thread, but wonderland you seem incredibly biased towards your moderator friends compared to leonardo. I'm agreeing with more on leonardo now then I was because of that fact. You are supposed to be unbiased, but from what you posted when you locked leonardo's other thread makes me doubt that you are.
over 13 years
I did it.
deletedover 13 years
How did the other topic get locked? This is insane. So dissenting views on a mods actions are not allowed and are censored on EM?
over 13 years
OMG LEO IS RAN4SH
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You seem to be defending it simply because it is common.
over 13 years
@Nice; past precedent is the basis for a fair a just system, like the Common Law system of Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law
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Typical /=/ biased. You can be atypically biased. The fact of the matter is that word is derogatory.
over 13 years
I have a biased perspective? Wouldn't a typical biased perspective since I am gay be that I completely agree with you Leo?
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"You have the power to do something against someone who broke the rules or at least what everyone can agree ought to be a rule."

I dont think it should be a rule either, so................ya.