i think this is a very valid question, and i'm hoping we can discuss this here.
hypothetically, do you think the following should be considered harassment?
repeatedly calling someone a "horrible person" when asked to stop.
repeatedly making up lies about a person in an attempt to viofarm them (including lying about stuff they've said in the past, lying about them deleting posts, etc)
repeatedly making threads about them and posting month-old screenshots in an attempt to turn people against them
repeatedly accusing them of intentionally trying to "mess them up emotionally" for commenting in their threads
repeatedly calling them stupid
posting on someone's profile calling them stupid and psycho
threatening to post in the forums every single day about how stupid someone is
constantly trying to guilt trip someone by telling them that even seeing their name puts them in a bad place
accusing someone of trying to "mess them up to the point that they relapse" [self harm/suicide]
accusing someone of intentionally trying to make them have suicidal thoughts
after being noted for all of the above and told to stop antagonizing them, doing the following:
calling them a horrible person again
calling them classless scum
accusing them again of "searching them out" to intentionally try and trigger suicidal thoughts so they kill themselves
accusing them of "trying to make [them] hurt [themselves]"
saying that just seeing them "triggers them back into a dark place"
calling them pathetic
trying to emotionally manipulate the admins by saying that they might have to go to the hospital because of this and that the admins need to do something or they're leaving the site
there's more but i feel like this catches the important bits.
in an attempt at fairness, the person this hypothetical harassment was directed to has done the following in the same time period:
told them to get their head out of their a/ss
said they broke the TOS of epicmafia
made a joke about them breaking the ERB rule
called them stupid
when the hypothetical harasser in question accuses them of attempting to "seek them out" to "make them attempt suicide", this is what they are referring to.
what are your thoughts on this? and specifically, what are your thoughts on people using the threat of suicidal threats and hospital visits to try and make the admins act a certain way? is this something that should be allowed?
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i've been in mtlve's shoes before where i can't handle my emotions, i've gotten a lot better with it and as an emotionally manipulative person myself it is hard but mtlve doesn't show any interest in changing it seems. i'm not attacking her but just suggesting that you should try and get help because it's really damaging to not only yourself but everyone around you when you are in that mindset.
i still get told i can be emotionally manipulative but i was in a mindset months ago "deny until i die" but i've been getting help and although i still do it at times i acknowledge that it was wrong and i need to apologize to whoever i hurt.
i don't even know what thread this going into but oh well
I'd like to say, harassment is not ok. Never will be. There are different types of harassment, but constantly attacking someone, and blaming them for emotional distress is also not ok. Calling someone names and trying to manipulate them is also not ok. I've seen it happen around here wayyy too much. As someone as personally has gone through a lot, i will have no tolerance for any forms of harassment. I said it before and i'll say it again, as long as i'm a mod on this site i will not let anyone be suppressed or silenced, everyone has a right to speak out. Especially if they feel harassed. Harassment will be taken seriously and not lightly, thank you for your time, ily all
i would say any kind of negative, unwanted comments or actions that continue after being asked to stop.
i view harassment as kind of a repetitive comment or action more than one profoundly negative one. like if you keep saying something that isn't specifically negative but the person still doesn't want it, that could be viewed as harassment.
ultimately i think it's note worthy if the comments persist after the person knows they should stop.
Even if ally harassed you first, it does not justify you doing any of these things listed here. In fact you have, at this stage, done far much more harassing than she has, and you refuse to stop until a "deal" is settled in your favor. That isn't happening and will not happen.
oh and to add some background - this hypothetical user has been banned in the past for spamming the forums and using suicide as a manipulation tactic. this isn’t new for them, there’s a history and precedent for it.
okay also when it comes to statements, there should be both a screenshot and a link to prove people said such a thing. otherwise people can fabricate stuff (which is also another vioable action)
what IS harassment?
