I suppose that brings up another question. Does desire = want?
I think it does, and I think if a person *wants* sexual harm to be done to a child, then that's immoral. Not *as* immoral as someone who's committed that harm, but immoral nonetheless. I'm not sure how many people out there are just disgusted and appalled with themselves for fapping to lolis, and if they are, there's a pretty simple solution.
Messed up person is right. Morally wrong isn't. No thoughts are ever immoral; actions are. Even the action of speaking your thoughts can be immoral, but the thought itself? Definitely not.
I'm a libertarian, and nothing is immoral if it only affects you or consenting others. Hypothetically, a pedophile could keep his thoughts to himself his entire life, and even fight against those thoughts knowing the natural conclusion of them is evil. That shows that it isn't the thought that's morally wrong, it's the actions that derive from the thought.
Someone can have a r@pe fetish and get off to the idea of r@ping women / stripping them of power. It's actually a common fetish in BDSM circles. Is that fetish weird? Fucked up? Unnatural? Sure. But it's not immoral unless acted upon.
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of course i want to protect children from freaks. schizophrenia isnt an illness where someone has the urge to kill people...... completely different and its a real mental illness.
Alright so this first point is a new argument, let's roll with this.
Sexual attraction towards kids is morally reprehensible, whether or not you've acted on it. If you think about (that word for forced sex) and get hard, then you're a messed up person.
Can you change? Totally. No one's putting a bullet in your gut for that. Should you change? absolutely, take whatever drugs you can, because you straight-up shouldn't have those desires.
Sexual attraction toward children itself isn't morally reprehensible, as you've done absolutely nothing at that point. All you did was get a shitty dice roll and end up with a condition that NO ONE wants to have.
I agree with your second point, though - it's not indicative of child abuse. Seriously, though, we don't run around executing schizophrenics because they have a high tendency for violence if left untreated, and we should extend that same logic to all mental illnesses.
Gender dysphoria is an illness. So is pedophilia. Not all pedophiles act on their urges, even if left untreated. Think about all the children we could save, morally, if we DID treat those with the condition.
No one deserves a bullet for being cursed with a mental illness, and if you sincerely don't see how my schizophrenia point relates to this, you're just allowing your desire to protect children (admirable ofc) to cloud your logical judgment. A schizophrenic who acts on the voices they hear and goes on a killing spree is akin to a pedophile who acts on their urges and fucks children. BOTH are the result of a mental illness, and why we need to TREAT those illnesses.
Yeah some people buy into the legitimacy of transition / social acceptance through being seen as their actual gender, and all the more power to them. I personally think it's BS, and even if you're out and proud and have transitioned, anyone calling you "ma'am" is doing it as a nicety and doesn't actually see you as a girl. Anyone who's trans should've just been born CIS, as their gender. The condition of gender dysphoria isn't a good thing, and in the perfect world, there would be no "trans" people; everyone would just have their sex and gender aligned at birth.
That being said, there's nothing wrong with having that condition on a moral level - just like there's nothing wrong with having the condition of pedophilia on a moral level. People keep saying "childfuckers", but the second a pedophile actually acts on their urges and becomes a full blown child predator, they forfeit any sympathy they would've gotten for merely being mentally ill.
I can compare gender dysphoria to pedophilia because they're both terrible illnesses. I never compared it to child predators. Child predators are more than mentally ill; they're monstrous criminals. Same way a schizophrenic who shoots up a school isn't just mentally ill, they're evil.
Not sure I like the death penalty either, if only because the government or any court shouldn't have that much power, especially ones that violate the basic human right to life.
I, personally, would leave one dead in a ditch because I don't see an acting pedophile as human, but as an arbitrator of evil. I've an extreme moral opposition to it, and as an act of revenge/desire for a better future, see killing them as a perfectly fine remedy.
im sorry u feel that way and ur hating urself that much but its really not like that for everyone and hopefully u dont always feel that way. even without medical transition transgender people may not have dysphoria, as being cis isnt the goal. no shame in being trans and it is not a "bad" thing.
Yeah unfortunately I'm not CIS myself and there's no pride in that. And I don't think there's a thing wrong with that word, especially considering "transgender" is an okay word. A person can be transgender (adjective) and the state of being transgender is transgenderism (noun).
But mah lolis
