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The Worst GT Violation of All Time

Miku
about 7 years

https://epicmafia.com/report/235569

I have been on this website for 7 years. In that time, I've witnessed some pretty bad moderators, and some pretty good ones. But this violation is the Worst Ruling I've Ever Received of All Time. The reasoning I posted in the comments was airtight. Let me go ahead and refute the reasoning of our good friend ErzaScarlet:

"you shot uncce'd blacksmith who hardclaimed"

So? He was scummy, I'm not the only person who thought that. Seemed like a fish to me.

",then claimed you misclicked"

That's called a joke, not sure if they've invented those where you're from yet

"and then said you didn't trust them"

yep, neither did a few other people.

"they were uncc'd you cannot shoot an uncced pr when there is no janitor"

So the official moderator ruling here is that you are REQUIRED to allow mafia to successfully fish under all circumstances under threat of gt vio?

"if you trusted iceyy was real cop who sr'd jm why did u let him get lynched right after too."

You would clearly see that wasn't my fault if you actually did due diligence and read the entire game, I was clearly trying to lynch the other guy but was ignored by town.

Would I have gotten this violation if JM had turned out to actually be mafia? Is the official precedent now that mafia MUST be allowed to fish successfully in any game without a janitor present under threat of 24 hour suspension and a violation that does not expire for 6 months?

deletedabout 7 years
You don’t need to make a complaint thread before your appeal has been handled. Dragging attention in for no reason. You appeal if it’s sustained then you can complain. Have a nice day :)
Zhuorb
about 7 years
Oh Boy, This Is The Absolute Worst!
ErzaScarIet
about 7 years

dzanek1143 says

Have you tried appealing it?


Of course they appealed it and made this topic the moment they did appeal, it is more about attacking the moderator who gave the vio than actually wanting a solution clearly lol
JM123
about 7 years
hello

this is one of the worst complaints of all time

my third comment in the report shows why it is GT

my first and second comments in the report show why the game has to be refunded. i was winning that game.

please refund it
dzanek1143
about 7 years
Have you tried appealing it?
shaGuar
about 7 years

ErzaScarIet says

He already wrote an essay attacking me in his appeal ? Why do I require to read a longer version of it in a topic


Hahahaha N­igga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Ni­gga Close Your Eyes Haha
parkover
about 7 years
cry me a river
Jeff
about 7 years
lol
feenikss
about 7 years

Miku says

Because the alternate scenario is just as important. There is literally no difference between this scenario and that one other than random chance. If random chance is the only variable in the scenario, then in both scenarios I must be playing to lose with the shot I took regardless of their alignment. Even if they flipped maf, I would still have shot uncc'd BS and be deserving of a GT vio according to your own logic.

Also why do you keep putting a space before all your punctuation


you are wrong about alternate scenarios. The specific rule you are being violated and we are discussing is moderated to protect town and not let ppl misfire on uncced prs aka clears. Mafia can take advantage of this rule sometimes by roleswapping (and this is also a reason why roleswapping often leads to disaster). The rule is there to make ppl think twice before shooting a clear, if you took a thought about it and made a clearly visible attempt to find the real bs before shooting the guy who had hard claimed it, you would not be violated, apparently you did not do that, you shot him cuz "scummy", you have not pointed out anywhere that you thought a specific person was a bs and why.

Erza is a new moderator and might not explain this to you correctly, you should not attack her, sinc it is not an easy task to explain rules to ppl who just dont listen. She made a correct call on this though. I have played this for a long time and i have a clear view why this is always a violation and which cases are excluded. If you really dont understand why and how this is a violation and are not trolling i can explain it to you in some more interactive place (skype or discord)
feenikss
about 7 years

Reporterino says

Miku clearly stated that they shot un-CC'd blacksmith because they assumed it was mafia trying to fish and real blacksmith was hiding. If they are being honest about this reasoning (and considering they were trying to lynch the mafia later on), that was obviously not GT or ISP, but a bad read.

Also, the fact that you consider an appeal an "essay" and "sass" speaks volumes about the mod team's lack of consideration of any criticism.


what you described falls under "Violation may also be applied if a user causes a loss due to a lack of game-related effort" and is actually ISP (ISP by negligence), not a bad read
ErzaScarIet
about 7 years
He already wrote an essay attacking me in his appeal ? Why do I require to read a longer version of it in a topic, anyone can shoot an uncced pr and claim " they thought they were mafia " and this is excusable in janitor setup as I stated and it won't be even in guns & hooker or fancypants. So why do any of you think this is going to get any special verdict, the game being competitive?
feenikss
about 7 years
Miku most of the rules in this game are to protect town against idiotic clears. If you shot mafia you would not get a violation, that is true. However you did not shoot mafia, you shot an uncced pr who had hard claimed. If ppl would be allowed to do this with no violation then this game would be useless and trolls would keep doing it every game. Town is protected from these actions by rules. This should always be a violation, and only incompetent moderators have no violated such action. Instead you should argue about the violation's level (title or whatever). This can be violated as Trolling, GT or ISP by negligence. If you a) did not intend to lose this game and b) was trying to find mafia and c) did not grudge shoot, troll shoot JM then ask moderators to downgrade this to ISP by negligence since you clearly did not understand the outcome of your actions. If you actually hipfired because "scummy" then that falls under trolling. There is no reason to try to overturn this to "no violation" unless you are a scumbag and completely braindead and ignorant not understanding this rule.
Bookkeeper
about 7 years
erza why cant u be noviopimp and novio every report? Especially the ones where there was no GT?
Thanks!
Reporterino
about 7 years
Miku clearly stated that they shot un-CC'd blacksmith because they assumed it was mafia trying to fish and real blacksmith was hiding. If they are being honest about this reasoning (and considering they were trying to lynch the mafia later on), that was obviously not GT or ISP, but a bad read.

Also, the fact that you consider an appeal an "essay" and "sass" speaks volumes about the mod team's lack of consideration of any criticism.
ErzaScarIet
about 7 years
There is no argument, i have 0 interest in reading your essay and your sass, I already stated more than 3 times why you got the vio, anyone can do what you did and claim they didn't throw, but I'm only human and I judge based on what I see in the game, there is no other category I could move this across to. I can't put it under badplay or ISP when you admit you shot the uncced blacksmith and you were aware they claimed. Also this will be my last post here. Have a nice life
Miku
about 7 years
You still didn't respond to my argument
ErzaScarIet
about 7 years
Imagine fighting for a gt vio to be ot'd after shooting uncced blacksmith !
Miku
about 7 years
Doing things incorrectly Because You Can, the ErzaScarIet way.
ErzaScarIet
about 7 years
Cause I can !
Miku
about 7 years
Because the alternate scenario is just as important. There is literally no difference between this scenario and that one other than random chance. If random chance is the only variable in the scenario, then in both scenarios I must be playing to lose with the shot I took regardless of their alignment. Even if they flipped maf, I would still have shot uncc'd BS and be deserving of a GT vio according to your own logic.

Also why do you keep putting a space before all your punctuation
ErzaScarIet
about 7 years
"they were uncc'd you cannot shoot an uncced pr when there is no janitor"

So the official moderator ruling here is that you are REQUIRED to allow mafia to successfully fish under all circumstances under threat of gt vio?


Also, lol, why are you talking as if you shot mafia ? You shot uncced blacksmith and they flipped blacksmith !
Miku
about 7 years
The misclick joke is totally irrelevant to anything, I don't know why you are narrowing down on it so hard. I say stupid sht like that all the time in my games. It doesn't mean anything and no one takes it seriously, except mods apparently. And I didn't shoot his CC because I thought JM was hooker, which would have been a much better shot.

I want you to answer my questions posed in the thread OP. Would I have gotten the violation if JM was mafia? If not, the violation isn't valid. I've also yet to see a compelling argument that suggests I was intentionally not playing to win in that game.
ErzaScarIet
about 7 years
Of course you'd be ignored by town when you say you "misclicked" after shooting uncced black smith, your vio was not based on the cop being lynched , it was based on your shot ! If you tr the cop why not shoot his cc instead and clear them first instead of shooting the uncced blacksmith who was actually your cop read's inno ?
deletedabout 7 years
I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you so just know this: I'm right and you're wrong.
Miku
about 7 years
Why wouldn't you kill them immediately if you 100% believe they are fishing and you have the ability? What if the real BS ccs in the meantime? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Even if you want to argue my logic for shooting him was bad, I can't get a GT vio for that. An argument cannot be made that I was intentionally trying to lose.