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Unprofessional

about 8 years

The em debating going on is very unprofessional.

Here is an example of one of the teams argument: (Pamda and Xero)

VILDEN SHOULD BE UNBANNED 1)Vilden can change: :Vilden may have been treated poorly from others , and this is why he is so negative and mean towards people. They should be given a chance to repent and think about their mistakes, instead of being thrown out for their fowl language. Surely Vilden has done lot of mistakes but people who he raged against aint saints either. We believe VILDEN CAN CHANGE!!!!!!

2) He doesn't have many game related vios, they're mostly community Violations.

3) Lately the average level of comp players has been bad. A lot of players have no clue what they're doing and a lot of them are gt alts, trolls, etc. We need more good players like Vilden in order to get a good comp atmosphere.

Rebuttal: Our opponents may say that unbanning Vilden is a bad idea because he will keep on attacking other players if he is unbanned. But banning him won't change anything. He will bypass and make threads about the same people.

In closing, we think that the best thing to do in this situation is to let Vilden play games but forum ban him for some time. In fact, most of his HC/harassment vios come from the forums and not from games. UNBAN VILDEN!!

I have highlighted a few comical spelling and grammatical mistakes. (Unnecessary capitalisation of letters, misspelling of foul, treated poorly BY others* etc.)

Not to mention a lot of the logic behind this team's arguments is completely flawed. Suggesting that due to the level of comp being poor we should unban rule breakers is a laughable statement. Trying to say that since Vilden will bypass we should choose to not punish him is blatantly opposite reasoning to the key purpose of punishment. Bypassing should in fact reduce Vilden's likelihood to be unbanned. The statement saying that the people Vilden harassed "aint saints" is a fallacy of an argument (the basic principle of two wrongs don't make a right). This team suggests that Vilden "can change" when he was warned several times regarding harassment/hc and continued to do so willingly.

I think this teams only valid and logical argument is their suggestion for a forum ban, based on Vilden's discrepancies being predominantly linked to his forum activity. However considering Vilden's blatant ignorance for the rules and warnings of moderators and his tendency to bypass his suspension, I can't see any strong argument for leniency.

about 8 years
it's unethical because vilden can't defend himself
you're right about the second one though
about 8 years

Becomeclear says

this whole debate is unethical because vilden cannot comment.
not to mention Jeff is one of the judges.


That's not an issue of ethics, but rather objectivity.
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I am not sure if there is a way to do this. If not, you should add a way to block all mails, comments, etc from a certain person. Other games I played, if you are annoyed with someone you can do this and this would probably stop things from exploding so much at times, as occurred with Vilden.
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I agree that Vilden should potentially be unbanned if he agrees to behave. There are always 2 sides to stories, and I think that he was probably being egged on to some extent. I have been harassed by people that thought that I was Vilden, so I assume that he was harassed a lot too. Getting insulted/harassed while you are probably drunk is enough to set most of us off. If he can agree to leave certain people alone and behave, he should be allowed back.

Vilden is an asset to this site. He was mentoring me when I first started, and he was very good at this.
about 8 years

Edark says

This thread belongs to complaints


I said this to pam and she was too much of a pu$$y to move it, it's a bit late now. lol
about 8 years
This thread belongs to complaints
about 8 years

Beautiful says


ark says

I came up with a more fair debate for you johnny boy. Give reasons why Vilden should be unbanned vs why DYL shouldn't have been unbanned. Would make for a more interesting debate. lol


pretty sure. lol.

that this guy. lol.

has a crush on me since he constantly posts about me. lol.


Alright Natstar, pack it in. lol
about 8 years

Beautiful says


ark says

I came up with a more fair debate for you johnny boy. Give reasons why Vilden should be unbanned vs why DYL shouldn't have been unbanned. Would make for a more interesting debate. lol


pretty sure. lol.

that this guy. lol.

has a crush on me since he constantly posts about me. lol.


Seek joy in the fact that others see you in such a light my friend.
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ark says

I came up with a more fair debate for you johnny boy. Give reasons why Vilden should be unbanned vs why DYL shouldn't have been unbanned. Would make for a more interesting debate. lol


pretty sure. lol.

that this guy. lol.

has a crush on me since he constantly posts about me. lol.
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heck, i like me 2.
about 8 years
i'm a simple man with simple pleasures. and heck, i like me
about 8 years
Simple name for a simple guy. I like him.
about 8 years
Jack keeps taking the bait doesn't he.

Simple Jack.
about 8 years
How improfessional.
about 8 years
I came up with a more fair debate for you johnny boy. Give reasons why Vilden should be unbanned vs why DYL shouldn't have been unbanned. Would make for a more interesting debate. lol
about 8 years

johnreid says


jack says


johnreid says


jack says

you care way too much


The integrity of this site is worth my time and effort. I am simply a good Samaritan who speaks his honest mind.

As a moderator I would assume you should care to a greater degree than I, a simple face in the crowd.




a forum game involving debates has 0 impact on how the site will function, and my entire tenure as mod has been defined by apathy


I refer not to the mechanism itself which you have correctly defined as a forum game, yet the context to which this debate refers. The banning and unbanning of a user is well within the realms of consideration for a moderator.

I however am pleased to hear you are putting your efforts towards things of greater importance.


it's a game, genius. vilden's not getting unbanned because some team argued really well that he should be
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bonk says


johnreid says

Pamda was a dictator in another life.


can confirm.

I was on call with Pam late one night a few months ago and she told me that sometimes she feels urges to commit mass genocide against various groups of people including: the Jews, Hawaiians, people who wear socks with sandals, anyone who's first name begins with a J, and EpicMafia users.


looks like Jewy Jewerson is facing double jeopardy
about 8 years

bonk says


johnreid says

Pamda was a dictator in another life.


can confirm.

I was on call with Pam late one night a few months ago and she told me that sometimes she feels urges to commit mass genocide against various groups of people including: the Jews, Hawaiians, people who wear socks with sandals, anyone who's first name begins with a J, and EpicMafia users.


Lucky i'm not hawaiian
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johnreid says

Pamda was a dictator in another life.


can confirm.

I was on call with Pam late one night a few months ago and she told me that sometimes she feels urges to commit mass genocide against various groups of people including: the Jews, Hawaiians, people who wear socks with sandals, anyone who's first name begins with a J, and EpicMafia users.
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too slow
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fnoof says

brevity is the soul of wit

wanna take a guess at what i'm gonna say next?


No
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idiot
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brevity is the soul of wit

wanna take a guess at what i'm gonna say next?
about 8 years
Pamda was a dictator in another life.
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Ok so you're saying I'm lacking integrity and competence because I didn't have enough time to do that lol
Here john, I give you my place and you can be xxerox's partner =)