EM's bad meta

Jalebabout 11 years ago

D1 Bad Metas

7 person, maf kills n1: this is the most common meta that is played on em, and one of the reason why I feel fp is bad for the site. It's a pointless strategy where nobody does anything. Somebody will quickly die n2, which makes two people not actually play mafia.

7 person, dawn/day start: examples include stbs, C14, and CnS. This meta often comes with town racing for a random ml to avoid a pr getting night killed. This strategy is bad as town will just throw away a blue more times than not hoping that maf will not hit a pr. Plays d1 include people saying, "I'm blue lynch me," or "We don't want maf to pr read." Not only is this against town's win con, maf generaly have a higher win rate as maf cc the pr or simply doesn't get lynched over a blue.

8 person, night start: These have a range of setups to them. The most commonly played have 0-2 pr claiming as pr. O2R is being the best at avoiding a bad meta of auto claims. Meanwhile BV and VDLI both have pr claiming d1 uncc'd. These are better with scum hunting, but some blues don't participate as they don't think their fos will be acknowledged by the clears. Some games are simply played as town selves and a pr hammers. PRs will not lead in some of these games as they feel like maf will fish if a bw is lead on them.

HI/A&D (day start with an unkillable claims to get a gun): These setups have the mistake of town thinking to nl d1 for a gun rather than lynching d1. This brings up issues of optimal play as mafia don't know each other d1, but town doesn't take advantage of that. A&D is extremely scum sided for this strategy as town may not get a gun, and they let maf learn who not to lynch/kill. A&V has fixed this a little as some players use both the gun and the lynch.

9 player, d1 mylo: These setups are the classic comp setups with bp, bomb, doc, or bg. People commonly jump to nl thinking, like the 7 person setups, that the mylo doesn't help town. With clear dying each night rather than unclear blues, town is throwing away advantages.

10 player setups: These are hard to pick apart as these tend to be a cop cc with a ml. Whichever side wins the cc gets a large advantage of 7 way of 2+ clears, or 5 lylo/7 guised lylo. I'm not quite sure if these have extreme problems, as they are ignored by current players as they are longer and harder to read as text fills up the page with 9 players alive.

Thank you for reading, and if anyone has some suggestions to help em fix this typical play talk about it here.

Jalebabout 11 years ago
Bump, pls read if you play comp
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Duke
anything below a 200 game sample just shows how lucky you have been.
You are assuming that this is my first account with a 60% win rate after 200 games! A severe underestimation indeed!
Dukeabout 11 years ago
anything below a 200 game sample just shows how lucky you have been.
itg321about 11 years ago
Epicmafia user Triumphant busses unnecessarily on a ML, a strategy that will result in a loss 99% of the time.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Duke
we can talk about highest legitimate win-rates when you have 10k points and still haven't cheated to get >70%
I said I'd have the highest win rate after a gold win, not that I'd make the hall of fame. I'm realistic in my arrogance.
Dukeabout 11 years agoedited
we can talk about highest legitimate win-rates when you have 10k points and still haven't cheated to get >70%

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Duke
why are you bragging about a 23 game sample
Because at the end of this round I will be the gold winner with the highest legitimate win-rate ever. Thanks for asking!
Dukeabout 11 years agoedited
why are you bragging about a 23 game sample
Zhuorbabout 11 years ago
https://epicmafia.com/game/4107499 come play O2R, triumphant
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
"Ask me about my watch."
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
I'm 19-4 is anyone ever going to give me a fifth loss? Am I the best player of all time?
Dukeabout 11 years agoedited
i honestly thought you and wrestlerchance were mafia before the strongman flip.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Let's talk about my win rate
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Duke
ahaha i suck at mafia.
same
Dukeabout 11 years ago
ahaha i suck at mafia. at least i found the second maf :3
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Duke
ScubaSteve
I really want to play sifting through a charade now.
https://epicmafia.com/game/4107445
Good setup.
Hibikiabout 11 years ago
your complaint about 7p dawn is it's being played incorrectly, and the rest are inferior
Jalebabout 11 years ago
SuperNova
What's the point?
town keeps playing sub optimally, or just plain boring. Trying this can help new players get better and win more as town.
Dukeabout 11 years ago
ScubaSteve
I really want to play sifting through a charade now.
https://epicmafia.com/game/4107445
SuperNovaabout 11 years ago
What's the point?
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
I really want to play sifting through a charade now.
Dukeabout 11 years agoedited
but the doc is the miller in that setup.
Dukeabout 11 years agoedited
Jaleb
In my opinion, if B2NS had strongman over hooker, i think it would be the best setup on the site

https://epicmafia.com/setup/576057
Jalebabout 11 years ago
Duke
the problem you will encounter with these strats is "this setup is no fun, why is the gunsmith"
Best response i would give is if gs survives to n3 town gained a ml with 2 guns. I don't know if players have done that math. Or bp can hold the gun until he gets hit for another ml.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Good thread.