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Petition to improve the site: pt1

over 9 years

Mods please make it gamethrowing to demand the hammer and mishammer.

Things that can be gained from leading lynches:

  • Bad clears can no longer vote people for making them emotional/being uncooperative
  • Confirm your reads with town for more reads
  • A chance to stop a clear from mishammering
  • Bad clears can't strongarm bad lynches
  • Games become less dependent on rolling decent clears
  • Mafia get a chance to do something other than appeal to the clear

Most of all if you were playing mafia with your friends (assuming you understand what this means) you wouldn't focus solely on clears, so this site shouldn't either.

Make it gamethrowing
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when a clear demands hammer only to lynch wrong. This should include but not being limited to spamming for selfs, asking for selfs, stating they have reads for selfs, demanding selfs, etc. etc.
over 9 years
Here's a point i just thought of. If you're encouraging the idea of not selfing for clear, would setups like minesweeper or gallis hunter still be banned? They actually play games if one person isnisn't demanding hammer
over 9 years
I just lost a game where the "clear" demanded splits and voted against the cop that cleared him. It would be great if that didn't happen.
over 9 years

pranay7744 says

nope. not this. I suggested something entirely different. I just suggested fines instead of violations. People will then have motivation to not break a rule. If you have to pay a fine to get out of a ban/ vio then you will not do it. If you still do it then you pay and lucid earns. Lucid will not lose customers because of this.


lol good thing i'm rich hahahahahahah
over 9 years
nope. not this. I suggested something entirely different. I just suggested fines instead of violations. People will then have motivation to not break a rule. If you have to pay a fine to get out of a ban/ vio then you will not do it. If you still do it then you pay and lucid earns. Lucid will not lose customers because of this.
over 9 years

pranay7744 says

@ark- Good thing Lucid does not have you as his business partner


Ironically, this is what you suggested before.
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ark says

Ok how about this, a epicmafia subscription service! To play ranked it's $5 a month otherwise it's only unrranked, to enter a competition is $5 entry fee per alt and finally for unlimited use of the forums other than bugs, complaints and welcome to epicmafia one time payment of $20, if you post irrelevant topics in these forums they are moved to a forum you can't see unless you pay.

THAT should fix this community for good. lol


*Site dies* Next suggestion?

Buh the way, I officially negged this thread to -10.

Buhh the way, UniverseStudios should stop trying to transform the site and make one of his own if he wants to be a complete... a complete.. A COMPLETE!!! Bad guy..
over 9 years
@ark- Good thing Lucid does not have you as his business partner
over 9 years
Ok how about this, a epicmafia subscription service! To play ranked it's $5 a month otherwise it's only unrranked, to enter a competition is $5 entry fee per alt and finally for unlimited use of the forums other than bugs, complaints and welcome to epicmafia one time payment of $20, if you post irrelevant topics in these forums they are moved to a forum you can't see unless you pay.

THAT should fix this community for good. lol
over 9 years

ediz12 says

To be fairly honest this is stupid. Clears leading or hammering is part of the game, especially when they might know an extra thing from prs, like in TEO. Or they want to hammer someone who everyone townreads. Bad play isn't a vio and never will be one.


There's a difference between what you're stating and players that spend their games as clears refusing to do anything but demand the hammer, only to throw the game away killing off someone every live townie would defend. This situation is what I'm after because it gamethrowing in the sense that you denied town a chance to show you that you'd need mafia in order to confirm your read.

I call the current meta vote simulation because that's all your vote is when you're playing to clears. We have a scumhunt achievement for a reason and this meta denies people the ability to safely pursue it. You should be able to remember when people were able to generate reads with a vote, but in vote simulation it's worse than ccing a PR as blue.
over 9 years

Escurai says

"Mods please make it gamethrowing to demand the hammer and mishammer." How exactly do you think you're going to get a single new player, let alone people who want to improve if they get reported for every mistake? Especially when 99% of the time you learn more from a loss than a win, I'm honestly bamboozled by this thread.


Because you don't play anything but fancy pants and you rarely actually get to see bw and splits occur naturally.

However you're a player content to self vote the moment day starts because it's never occurred to you to put effort into winning games of your own accord when you're clear.
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over 9 years
Agree with all of Zovea's in this thread.

Downvoted b/c he was an last time i talked with him
over 9 years
This won't work. I tell you why:

First, you can't judge if someone is throwing just because of their friends, unless this quite clear.
Second: even mods do that, so...
over 9 years
Every single person here wouldve been banned
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Connor says

i think if more players were to work at improving the meta, it would improve.

unfortunately, for good players this means when you're clear you have to hand the reigns to potential nonclears or those you don't trust even as town. that's why the meta developed the way it did


Pretty sure people would have to care for that to happen, and the current site state is most of the reason they don't.
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Slow says

this is the same logic and mentality that led to mitch getting him and bunch of his meta abuser friends to lobby for the lobby split


I'm not really for making it a violation but it's an easy (re: temporary) fix as opposed to what Dave suggested.
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this is the same logic and mentality that led to mitch getting him and bunch of his meta abuser friends to lobby for the lobby split
over 9 years
"Mods please make it gamethrowing to demand the hammer and mishammer." How exactly do you think you're going to get a single new player, let alone people who want to improve if they get reported for every mistake? Especially when 99% of the time you learn more from a loss than a win, I'm honestly bamboozled by this thread.
over 9 years

SackAttack says

I know it'll get a bw. Change the meta. Revolution. Just keep refusing to self vote and people will get sick of lynching you for a [redacted] reason (if you flip town). etc. etc. I'll reiterate that I do agree with what you're saying but I don't see them changing it.


Felt like I need to add redacted because having nothing there changes the whole meaning. Feces.
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in general, making bad play a vio is probably the most hypocritical and also dumb thing you can suggest.
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i think it's telling who's signed the petition: a bunch of trolls and romeo.
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but anyways, lil wanye had so many good songs back in the day holy crap wat happened to him
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basically everytime i let town hammer / ml it always comes back to bite me and i lose