Still better than SK vs Mafia

and that crappy fiddler setup.

riot purposely trying to make this a terrible round

I mean it happens and people will get lucky, and that's what a lot of people will be upset about, but in the end it is safer to run in 2 party setups because you have a lot more control. ALIO is high risk high reward, and most people will end up being screwed over by solo wins rather than the other way around, by definition of solo wins.

Lashka says

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You're enforcing a one-male-per-game policy?

Good mafia can't do anything to good survivor though. It doesn't negate it.

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I like how I kept my agreement with Vancy on not comping 3+ party setups in return for adding Cthulhu to main and plussing my setup, but Scholsey then did it anyway so I didn't have to.

Steven says

No it's not. And I grabbed 60% by roughly doubling survivor percentage, which is just a guess.

Think about it this way. You have survivor who wins one game with town and one game with mafia. Even though the statistics will show that as 2 wins for survivor out of 4 because of how the system works, (therefore 50% win for vivor and 25/25) survivor actually won all the games.

Survivor is incredibly hard to not joint with. This means that you will almost always get half points for your win, for statistically about the same chances of winning (about 50/50 if you ignore warlock). And that is less points that on a balanced setups.

Sometimes you get lucky and survivor dies, and sometimes 90% of the table loses because warlock got lucky. There's more chances to "get lucky" but on average the point payout is worse

I wasn't aware that Survivor joints so much. I figured Mafia kill them most of the time when they can. If we had joint statistics then perhaps these statistics would become more accurate, because it would show how often mafia and town joint with Survivor, and therefore, sacrifice a large portion of their points for winning.