Epicmafia

A bullet hit your vest!

----Town: Bp you are the only clear so claim D1, get claims, tell the person with the gun who to shoot(if they shoot somebody else or shoot before claiming they have the gun lynch them,) and lead the lynch. Blues do what you can and scumhunt even if you don't know the claims. Doc, if BP is hit then doc him; if not try to infer who sounds like the other PR and doc them. Cop, try to convince BP you are real, and don't forget your reports are 100% accurate because there is no guiser in your setup. Watcher, be careful on what you get as visits could be town, so BP might be better off interpreting them. Gunsmith, you should give a gun N1, because even if you do give it to mafia they might end up having to shoot whoever BP says, and if you don't you waste a ML; after N1 you can just give it to BP, which will clear you for the rest of the game(Unless lucid decides to keep the new "only one gun" change) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

----Mafia: If you have a hooker then there is a cop, and if you have a guiser then there is a watcher. Also, CC'ing BP will only get BP hit at best, so don't do that. If you have the gun you can choose to risk it, but its a 50/50 chance of losing getting outed as the shooter, but if you stay anonimous its LYLO with no clear reports.

deletedalmost 14 years

also mafia never cc bp or gunsmith, since if u cc bp someoen will shoot and ur fucked, and if u cc gunsmith town just tells the 2 gunsmiths to give guns to 2 different people, whoever gets the gun can confirm. if theres no hooker. if their is hooker watcher can confirm

deletedalmost 14 years

none of the below points are valid since somone given a gun can save it all game long, i was not aware.....

deletedalmost 14 years

RRRR, what Im saying is that if mafia shoots a townie, town can still lynch mafia, since you shoot in the day

Raynor

almost 14 years

doens't new point system take away a need for balance?

deletedalmost 14 years

No Raynor, it takes away the need to worry about point farms. A setup still needs to have a competitive element of town and mafia having a fair shot to win.

mariomanI33

almost 14 years

66% town and this is competitive? I love how point farms are accepted when theres a gunsmith in the setup...

deletedalmost 14 years

points are based on win % now, so this isnt really a point farm unless you're just aiming to get enough points to post or +/-k...

deletedalmost 14 years

Get rid of whispers and I feel this could be slightly more balanced.

legoman727

almost 14 years

Get rid of whispers. Unless maf gets gun N1, there's no way for them to win on Watcher setup. Cop is a bit more in their favor, but...

Quing

almost 14 years

Ugh, get rid of whispers, PLEASE.

deletedalmost 14 years

Done. http://www.epicmafia.com/setup/198541 Now try to get lucid to replace the competitive setup with it, lol.

Nails

almost 14 years

I think getting rid of whispers destroys the purpose of the setup. I'd get rid of doc. Maybe add a miller.

TwoFace

almost 14 years

I've won this setup up 2 consecutive times as mafia. The reason why the village win is so high because of unorganized mafia. but if mafia gets organized and jan send out codes, and each mafia CC a PR, except for one (hooker or stalker, depends on the setup) should claim blue. Village should always give out gun n1, but GS never whispers who they gave gun to. Its pretty competitive once you have organize mafia.

TwoFace

almost 14 years

One thing here. If mafia hits BP n1, its almost guaranteed a loss for mafia.

goldencow2

almost 14 years

There is a 6.25% chance a mafia will get a gun and the gunsmith will be janned (The worst case scenario).

There is a 3.125% chance that a maf will get a gun, shoot wildly, and hit the gunsmith and go unrevealed (this is bad)

There is also a 6.25% chance that the BP will be hit and maf will get a gun, which they may sac themselves by killing the BP. May or may not be good for mafia.

So there's about 10% to 16% chance of bad stuff happening if you give a gun n1.

deletedalmost 14 years

This is bad setup, not well playing maf just has no chance to win it. Stop creating it every fucking minute.

deletedalmost 14 years

I've won 3 times as maf on this setup. Twice I got the gun d1 and lied about not having it and shot on lylo. The 3rd time was when a troll claimed cop with a guilty on the real cop. Setup is all luck based for mafia.

Nails

almost 14 years

This setup would be more village sided if silly gunsmiths didn't give out guns n1 (which is a 3/8 chance of autoloss town). A smart BP can very easily win this for the town 60+% of the time. That ignores the very substantial probability of a doc save or BP hit n1 which is pretty much autowin town.

deletedalmost 14 years

I think that the doc/watcher or doc/cop makes this too town sided. Imo take out the doc and add a leader.