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closedabout 8 years
[APPEAL] https://epicmafia.com/report/196877 I want someone other than poser/Arcbell to look at this.
about 8 years
after reviewing logs and discussing the games further with the involved players, it doesn't look like there's sufficient evidence to justify the cheating violation. that being said, there is a fair bit of what we might call "meta abuse" going on here, more precisely, it looks like the players in question give each other more benefit of the doubt than they would give others when it comes to lenience in their reads and general play. over time this effect gives them an unfair advantage in competitive play and is discouraged.

as for an official verdict i'm overturning this to a note and suggesting strongly that you avoid playing with each other in comp if you find that your personal friendships will cause games to be unfair to other players. i'm not barring you guys from playing games together because i'm aware that good friends can have perfectly legitimate games with one another. i trust that you will respect this decision and use your second chance wisely.
about 8 years
https://goo.gl/0yX8yX

take the maximum of (24 hours, when i don't want to deal with this anymore) to respond to the games labeled as "probably cheating" and "noteworthy" in the final section.
about 8 years
Please compile a list of games (would also appreciate a little bit of analysis) and post them here or PM them to me.
about 8 years
This is just for the purpose of looking up games, not for playing games.
about 8 years
Temporarily unsuspending yachi so she can look up games in her defense.
about 8 years
mods deeming some games 'suspicious', despite me and glow explaining every single one, and they have yet to link any game from that pool of "suspicious games"
about 8 years
they probably haven't even looked into games where we're not playing which each other. our play style is consistent. i'd pull up some games if i could review them.
about 8 years
...how come everytime the point of how we play literally does not change when we're together or not CONTINUES to be overlooked???? im actually curious.
about 8 years
i don't understand how you could assume i'm cheating based on how i play without even knowing how i play in the first place lmao
about 8 years
Another mod is looking into it now, so there ya go
about 8 years
also, do all of the mods that reviewed my games acknowledge that that's literally how I play in every game. nothing changes when i'm in a game with my friends and when i'm not.
about 8 years
i'm friends with like 2 mods wym
about 8 years
Literally every role moderator who isn't biased in your favor(and admits it) agrees that you cheated. I even brought in one other real mod to look at this. I won't ask arcbell to look at it because he's my boyfriend but he also read a few and agrees. So there's really not many people here to read your games unless they're your friends.
about 8 years
We’ve already provided our reasoning against every thing poser pointed out in her pastebin.
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Yachi isn't cheating, shes just god awful at mafia and getting lucky.
about 8 years
The way that I play in games that was deemed as cheating (ie. outing foses/reads without providing any explanation, not pushing on my fos, those that I sr’d are mafia, etc.) was not limited to the games I played with glow and jakerton, as I had already mentioned in my pastebin. I can’t review games to find some more examples since I’m banned, but https://epicmafia.com/game/5429712/review is one game that jakerton nor glow were in, where I do the exact same thing. I was accused of cheating for these reasons, but poser/arcbell failed to acknowledge or even look into my other games. I play the exact same way as I do normally with glow and jakerton, and if they looked at my previous games like I advised, they would know that. The logic behind the arguments is flawed, and there was certainly bias against our favour when the report was being carried through. Not one of us is playing against or for the others win condition.