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Pernicious Ambiguity

Bogmire
almost 5 years

For those who don't know, I am Giga13, this is my alt along with Giga and Giga96. I am using this account for this thread and these setups because I have no slots left to create setups on any of my other accounts (I've used all 60 slots lol)

I recently played GMoney509's Pernicious Ambiguity https://epicmafia.com/setup/1174003 and liked it very much. I don't think it's as scumsided as it looks but I tried making variants for improvements:

2.1: https://epicmafia.com/setup/1513105
2.2: https://epicmafia.com/setup/1513107

The only differences between these two setups are that they are Alignment Reveal vs No Reveal.

Which do you think is better and why? I want to test them and see if we can do GMoney509 justice for their original setup idea, and bringing the Mason role back into light.

I'm also having trouble coming up with strategies. Here's one I've drafted for the Alignment Reveal variant:

STRATEGY DRAFT--ALIGNMENT REVEAL

Night 1

Mason: You have a 2/7 chance of dying Night 1 by masoning. You can mason if you wish, but remember that the enforcer can block your mason from happening, and you won't know on Day 1 if your mason went through or not.

Lazy Cop: Pick someone to investigate, you won't find out what they are until Day 2.

Day 1

Cop stay hidden, you want to be able to live to see your report on Day 2.

Scumhunt and lynch. Governor should not overturn unless you're lynching something that is unCCd, for some reason

You cannot Mason List necessarily as there will be Enforcer to block it from happening on Night 2.

Night 2

If there are two masons, you probably shouldn't mason. You can lose the game potentially as if both of you hit mafia, you will both die. Figure out the math as to whether or not this, combined with the mafia kill, will cause town to immediately lose or not. If you lynched town and mismason with 2 masons, it's game over. If you lynched mafia, feel free to mason. If there's 1 mason, feel free to mason. Just remember you can also hit Governor or Lazy Cop with your mason ability.

Day 2

Lazy Cop can out. They may create a clear and their report if inno will mean that someone is clear. There is a miller, so if they get a guilty, scumhunt first and see if you think that person is mafia instead of automatically lynching them.

General information to remember:

You can use Mason Lists at any point to know what will be masoned without outting the masons themselves. Simply give three names in order and the masons will mason the first possible person in the list. If mason has claimed, they should out who they're going to mason before the day ends.

Mafia cannot kill on Night 1, but remember that the Enforcer can use their ability to prevent any masoning from happening (they're basically a mafia sided shrink. Mason can Mason Night 1, but they risk dying to the mafia.

If there are three or more masons, one mason should vote No One at night so that if there is a mismason (masons on mafia), the lone last mason will survive. But I wouldn't necessarily want to mason more people with three masons alive anyway.

I haven't tried making or balancing setups in a while. It's a difficult but fun challenge sometimes and I like promoting new stuff so here I am lol.

I acknowledge that this is a difficult setup and that some people don't like difficult setups, but I'm trying it anyway.

Giga
almost 5 years
I think a lot of people are enjoying this setup right now, and it seems pretty fair. Hopefully it doesn't go really townsided though, I gave a lot of strategies early on. I think it's pretty balanced though; good tables have been playing it so far. Sometimes townsided setups are actually scumsided in percentages early on because it takes a lot of games for people to figure out how to play the setup the right way.
ZzFifthElementzZ
almost 5 years
Gmoney bestavi < 3
Giga
almost 5 years
Towns are currently putting in work, and doing a good job lynching mafia Day 1.

https://epicmafia.com/game/7025294/review

Here is an example of red heart being sometimes bad for setup testing. There were three masons and they almost mismasoned and lost lol
Linke
almost 5 years
The thing is, GMoney is a Giga alt too, and hes talking to himself and complimenting his own setups and threads, smh. Nice try.
Giga13
almost 5 years

GMoney509 says

Awesome, thanks for all this work you've put into balancing this, Giga!!! :)

Introducing the Lazy Cop is a really cool idea, since it can clear another person, but it's not as clear-cut as having a Town Crier since the cop could die or have a report on dead.

The Enforcer is a better idea than a second Janitor, since it makes both mafs have something fun to do and it adds more ambiguity to the masons!

I'm not sure about the no reveal and alignment reveal, though. I'll try testing them out and see what works best!

Thanks again for improving the setup, Giga!! :)


Np! Removed town crier because of the mason mechanic plus the risk of too many clears. If you were gonna add it in I'd replace the Governor with it

Having normal reveals would be too townsided imo, as mafia doesn't kill n1 as well. But you could remove that too maybe, if you want N1 to have more weight
GMoney509
almost 5 years
Awesome, thanks for all this work you've put into balancing this, Giga!!! :)

Introducing the Lazy Cop is a really cool idea, since it can clear another person, but it's not as clear-cut as having a Town Crier since the cop could die or have a report on dead.

The Enforcer is a better idea than a second Janitor, since it makes both mafs have something fun to do and it adds more ambiguity to the masons!

I'm not sure about the no reveal and alignment reveal, though. I'll try testing them out and see what works best!

Thanks again for improving the setup, Giga!! :)
Songin
almost 5 years
Taking a deeper look into the setup, I can definitely foresee arguements over whether or not masoning n1 is a good idea. Quite frankly, I would advise against it as you have have a 4/7th chance to screw over town. (Hitting mafia, or hitting PRs). I would definitely advise against mason doing anything for night 1, getting reads d1, and going based on that for n2.

Edit: Quite frankly, the most benefical thing you can get out of masoning n1 is getting miller masoned, as if you get blues, it doesn't do much beyond help you learn who's town. So the overall pros vs cons for masoning n1 don't seem to weigh out properly, and are more in favor of bad scenarios than good.
Songin
almost 5 years

error says


Songin says

You should try out my setup:
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1490628


stop tryn hijack the man's thread wtf!


no u
error
almost 5 years

Songin says

You should try out my setup:
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1490628


stop tryn hijack the man's thread wtf!
Songin
almost 5 years
You should try out my setup:
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1490628