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what constitutes hipfire in ur eyes

deletedalmost 7 years

answer the poll one and all

panthero

almost 7 years

Simple rule is that if feeniks says it is hipfire then it isnt hipfire.

Heck

almost 7 years

if u shoot in the first 20 mins of game stop trolling noob

matt

almost 7 years

hey so there's an overwhelming majority on 5 seconds

maybe mods should re-define the hipfire rule :)

groundhogday

almost 7 years

if they don't have a read on the person they're shooting

Bebop

almost 7 years

0:30 shoot it

Bebop

almost 7 years

legalise hell yeah

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Bebop says

The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. The Mods were at war with Hipfiring. The Mods had always been at war with Hipfiring.

Didn't you say if you became admin you would end the war w/ hipfire and legalize it?

Bebop

almost 7 years

The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. The Mods were at war with Hipfiring. The Mods had always been at war with Hipfiring.

deletedalmost 7 years

the poll is already complete. it is hipfire if someone shoots.

panthero

almost 7 years

Only hipfire is hipfire. There is absolutely no discussion needed here.

ICouldBeYourDad

almost 7 years

I think it depends on if u have enough reads like if a person is being sightly scummy and its like 15 seconds in sure but if there are no reads then na

dissent

almost 7 years

I think what's relevant too is the fact that there are auto scumtells that can be shot that wouldn't be hipfiring.

If someone claims hooker, I'll shoot them, if someone asks to be shot, I'll shoot them. Asking for claims first might be better too. Someone instantly claiming cop or something and getting cc'd, then retracting and claiming blacksmith.

Probably would shoot that too.

Circumstances are very relevant.

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harodihg says

Really, I think it just comes down to due diligence and if the person in question seems like they're actually trying to win and not just playing with an itchy trigger finger or shooting as a joke

Based on this, you should agree with the following then:

A person that has never ever had a trigger finger in the past or been shown to not play to their win condition would not randomly one game do the opposite intentionally. If they fire earlier in the game, it was likely for a reason and should not be called as hipfire. The fact that the person shot was actually scummy as * would support the fact that they have an actual reason to shoot them. Additionally it was outside the 1min mark that you gave to be almost instant hipfire. So why not give the person the benefit of doubt based on the fact that they could have reads and have never shot without reads before and not give them a hipfire violation?

deletedalmost 7 years

loaded question

Gerry

almost 7 years

I hipfire everytime, all you have to say is "brb getting reads" as soon as you get your gun. and then shoot 10 secs later. then make something up. can't get a vio that way lol

Kare2

almost 7 years

harodihg says

I think that hipfiring is shooting without attempting to get reads first. This often makes hipfiring reports pretty muddled because it's not black and white as to when someone can actually obtain reads.

When I read a game that was reported for hipfiring I first look at the time between when the game started and when the shot actually took place. If it was less than a minute, chances are it's hipfiring.

Next I look at the actual content in the game and decide if there was any real scumhunting or reactions that took place to give someone a read to let them shoot.

For instance, 2 minutes could have gone by in a game but if nobody had spoken, or if just a few people had spoken about football or something, chances are it's hipfiring.

Other things of note:

-I've no vio'd reports where someone who hasn't spoken was shot after a few minutes had gone by because everyone else had spoken so it seemed reasonable that the sheriff could have PoE'd them

-I've given a trolling vio for a report where a couple minutes had gone by because the game was virtually silent and there was no request for claims or any actual content

-As an example: https://epicmafia.com/report/240066

I think that this deserved a trolling violation and here's why:

-not everyone had spoken this game
-there was virtually no content or scumhunting involved
-barely a minute had passed by
-it seemed like Alecia was just trolling with her blacksmith claim and looking for an excuse to shoot quickly without reads
-the person shot had barely spoken 4 lines

Really, I think it just comes down to due diligence and if the person in question seems like they're actually trying to win and not just playing with an itchy trigger finger or shooting as a joke

I like your hipfiring rules but not your ogi... You know what i'm talking about.

Peta

almost 7 years

Depends on the context.

deletedalmost 7 years

harodihg says

For instance, 2 minutes could have gone by in a game but if nobody had spoken, or if just a few people had spoken about football or something, chances are it's hipfiring.

everyone should not be required to speak. If one person says enough to make them be scum read, this should be a sufficient reason to shoot them.

Giga13

almost 7 years

I can make a short video outlining my thoughts on the subject of hipfiring but it will probably end up being 15 minutes or more somehow, as most of my "short" videos end up being lol

Giga13

almost 7 years

Arcbell says

None of the above. There is no hipfire.

I disagree. Are you saying there is no hipfiring, but what we call hipfiring right now is simply either Trolling, Gamethrowing, or something else? Please explain why you think this is so have you the time; I'm interested.

Also, for something that can be moderated subjectively moreso than some other things on this site, I think it deserves a term for itself. This term is currently hipfiring.

Giga13

almost 7 years

I agree with you dhig. Intent matters more than time. It is easier to determine if it's hipfiring or not by the way everybody sees it now based on the time the shot is made, since it's easier to defend one's actions after the fact when people have talked for more than a few minutes. We won't be able to tell most of the time if it's a hipfire or not if it gets done later in the day, but I think the best true definition of hipfiring falls under the terms I outlined above. It's difficult to define and it's a hard question to answer in my opinion since it's a very subjective term and can be moderated in multiple ways.

Arcbell

almost 7 years

None of the above. There is no hipfire.

deletedalmost 7 years

Sure, I'll do my best.

Preface: if you disagree with any of this or think it should be altered slightly I'd be more than happy to hear anyone's criticisms

I think that hipfiring is shooting without attempting to get reads first. This often makes hipfiring reports pretty muddled because it's not black and white as to when someone can actually obtain reads.

When I read a game that was reported for hipfiring I first look at the time between when the game started and when the shot actually took place. If it was less than a minute, chances are it's hipfiring.

Next I look at the actual content in the game and decide if there was any real scumhunting or reactions that took place to give someone a read to let them shoot.

For instance, 2 minutes could have gone by in a game but if nobody had spoken, or if just a few people had spoken about football or something, chances are it's hipfiring.

Other things of note:

-I've no vio'd reports where someone who hasn't spoken was shot after a few minutes had gone by because everyone else had spoken so it seemed reasonable that the sheriff could have PoE'd them

-I've given a trolling vio for a report where a couple minutes had gone by because the game was virtually silent and there was no request for claims or any actual content

-As an example: https://epicmafia.com/report/240066

I think that this deserved a trolling violation and here's why:

-not everyone had spoken this game
-there was virtually no content or scumhunting involved
-barely a minute had passed by
-it seemed like Alecia was just trolling with her blacksmith claim and looking for an excuse to shoot quickly without reads
-the person shot had barely spoken 4 lines

Really, I think it just comes down to due diligence and if the person in question seems like they're actually trying to win and not just playing with an itchy trigger finger or shooting as a joke

Giga13

almost 7 years

The other issue is that hipfiring in of itself is not a site offense. It usually falls under either the Trolling or Gamethrowing site offense, and this fits with the idea of the intention mattering when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of it. I have always advocated during my time as a moderator and as a regular site user that hipfiring ought to be moderated on a case-by-case basis.

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Giga13 says

In my opinion, hipfiring is when somebody shoots with or without reading, randomly, and/or without effort or intention to figure out the alignment of the user who was shot in question and/or other users in the game. Contrary to the belief of many, I believe that hipfiring can be done at any point of the day, not only at or near the beginning of the day.

this is a good point. you cant really know why someone shot it. Sometimes its obvious hipfire. if they might have done it for a read, it should be nv. The exception to this is someone that borderline hipfires every game and they might be scolded