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Quitting: Why & How

about 7 years

Edit

I am writing this 9 months after I uploaded the rest of this thread.

I think I didn't consider that feeling upset or angry might be better than feeling bored or not being distracted from real life. People prefer being engaged over disengaged. EM can be very engaging. At least if you're upset or angry then you're not thinking about your past or future.

Maybe that's why people that understood this thread continued to play. The users on this site, especially the mods and other users that have been here consistently since I first joined, are all trying to hide from their real lives.


Is EpicMafia worth it?

Usually you will feel that your overall experience of a game was bad if you lost. Therefore around half of the games you play will have been a bad experience for that reason alone.

Not every win will be a good experience. If you weren't instrumental in the win then you will probably have found the game boring.

If you only gain significant positive emotion when you’re instrumental in a win then it’s considerably more likely that you won’t enjoy a game than will enjoy it.

More people express extreme upset after a loss than extreme happiness after a win. Therefore, a bad loss isn’t outweighed by a good win. Does the upset you feel when someone throws a game or lynches you outweigh the happiness that you feel from winning?

So, not only is it more likely that a game of mafia will make you feel unhappy, the unhappiness you stand to feel outweighs the happiness you stand to feel.

Therefore playing EpicMafia is objectively a bad idea.


Is EpicMafia addictive?

If EpicMafia is not an enjoyable use of time then you might think people would stop playing, but what if they are addicted?

Sometimes users get banned intentionally to prevented themselves from playing, this indicates that they have realised they are addicted and can’t stop themselves.

“Behaviors … that offer … a spike in brain dopamine levels are the most addictive” (https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/what-makes-behaviors-addictive/). On the site, a large spike in dopamine is experienced when the player progresses towards winning a game, which only happens in sudden bursts (e.g. the player that gets lynched flips mafia). The rest of the experience is comparatively dull.

Activities that "provide the opportunity for immediate reward … are particularly conducive to addiction"(https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/addiction/compulsive-and-addictive-behaviors). In EpicMafia, unless you're playing to win a trophy (a slightly longer-term goal which most people don't aim for most of the time anyway) then any enjoyment that you trying to get is immediate and momentary.

Psychologist B.F. Skinner observed that animals were most easily trained when intermittent rather than constant rewards were administered for desirable behaviour. EpicMafia produces dopamine spikes at random, rather than during or after every game consistently, mirroring this idea.

The illusion of being able to control chance is part of why gambling is addictive (http://www.jeu-aidereference.qc.ca/www/why_people_become_addicted_en.asp?cmpt=2), and is mirrored in games of EpicMafia because, despite what the blind addicts will tell you, the result of each game is almost entirely down to luck.

EpicMafia is very addictive. It produces more suffering than wellbeing. Most people use the site because they’re addicted rather than because they enjoy it. If you are an addict, you should quit as soon as possible.


How to quit EM

Edit: Skip to the final thoughts section unless want to know my thoughts on how to quit epicmafia, because you will not find this part interesting otherwise

Don’t get banned, delete your account, or tell anyone that you’re quitting. Quitting involves a mindset as well as not playing. Your reason for not playing should be because you don’t want to. If you can’t play but still want to then you haven’t quit. Your ban will expire or you’ll remake your account and you’ll be as addicted as you were when you left.

Users can fall into many of three categories: red heart players, competitive players, and forum posters.

Red hearts

Quitting red hearts will involve two things: Realising how much you hate the game, and lowering the number of games you play every week to zero.

Record how much you think you enjoy playing EpicMafia out of ten. Play as much as you would normally for a while, but after each game record how much you enjoyed it. You’ll realise you don’t enjoy EpicMafia as much as you thought you did.

Now you really know how much you enjoy playing: create a timetable for the number of games you’ll play over the next few weeks, lowering it to zero. If you’re not weak then soon you’ll have quit. Continue recording how much you enjoy those games. After you’ve quit keep the record as a reminder of why you shouldn’t get hooked again. Don't try to quit all at once. If you do not respect your addiction you will not be able to beat it.

Gold hearts

If you play gold hearts but don’t try to win trophies then follow the guide for quitting red hearts.

Otherwise, decide in advance which round will be the last one you run on. If you don’t decide now then you’ll keep getting drawn back in by the lure of a theoretical jackpot round where you win a (meaningless) trophy.

Once that round is over, follow the guide to quitting red hearts.

Forums

If you want to quit the forums, the first step is to stop posting, but to continue reading. Later, cut out the recurring threads (e.g. pics pls) that you frequent. Then work on quitting the forums entirely.

Pattern interrupts

If you do reach freedom, place a pattern interrupt between you and EpicMafia. If you navigate to EpicMafia by opening a new tab and clicking the EpicMafia icon on your favourites bar, remove the icon. If you usually do it by typing “e” into the URL bar and pressing enter then do something to stop it being the first result. Interrupts like these will stop you from opening the site semi-consciously by force of habit.

If a small pattern interrupt isn’t enough then write something you won’t remember in a text file and save it, change your password to it, disable the autocomplete passwords feature in your browser for EpicMafia, and sign out. That way you will really have to think about it next time you sign in. If you do want to then you’ll be able to, but at least this way you’ll have 30 seconds to change your mind.


Final thoughts

If you’ve been on the site for a few months then you’ll never be totally free of EpicMafia, so expect that. But the further away it is from the front of your mind, the better. That’s why you should quit as soon as possible if you're a new player who has realised the site is just an addiction. That’s also something you should think about when you feel tempted to return.

Please do not leave negative responses in the comments section of this thread because you are upset. I know it is difficult to read inconvenient facts that you know are true, but please do not respond by getting angry and trying to make me feel bad. Sometimes when I read the comments sections of my threads I am brought to tears by all the hurtful things people say.

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deletedover 6 years
to answer the questions from my point of view -

1) no, take for example me, I ruined myself

2) of course it is

3) just gonna throw in my own input on this category: I just convinced myself that it was a bad idea. it's possible to just leave if you constantly think about NOT coming on, and eventually that thought leaves as well because you can't force yourself to remember things for so long.

tl;dr no, I'm never actually going to play on this site again (maybe besides pi days, as seen from 3/14/18). and no one else should put themselves through this either.

might explain more later but yeah whatever, no one cares about noavi opinions anyway
over 6 years
best thread
over 6 years
Somebody with the time, energy, and intelligence to write an article like this on EM game addiction really should quit the site... Think about all the productive, useful things you could be doing right now. (And now that I've written it, I'm not sure if it's sarcasm or not...)
over 6 years
man all i ever did was troll in games and it made it fun as hell

to actually try hard would make u a nerd lmao

anyway this site dead as hell it was literally down the other day shiiii just want to get in games and troll ppl :(
over 6 years
Delete this thread.
deletedover 6 years
my preferred method of quitting is the exit bag
over 6 years
someone tell my boy yoyo i wanna hit him up for a skype date
over 6 years
holy sh*t this guy is a 300 iq genius he put together all the things i wanted to say but couldnt get out of my tiny brain !!!!
over 6 years
delete this thread too many people are quitting
over 6 years
I see why you guys quit when you have moderators abusing their power like this

https://epicmafia.com/topic/90146
over 6 years
alright who else is quitting with me, this has to happen this site is no good for anyone's health let's be real constantly lying messes u up
over 6 years
Can confirm, I have been banned 3 times and always come back
over 6 years
Ah I remember, harodihg, seudo intellectual
over 6 years

Zhuorb says

Who did you harass


I "harassed" moderator harodihg

He banned me for making a thread calling him a whiny manbaby

I made that thread because he deleted a thread I had made about him previously

The thread I had written previously highlighted examples of him overwriting to seem intelligent

I made that thread because he called me a "drooling chimp" (without irony, after writing plenty of other weird phrases to look "professional" in his new position as a moderator, which were the subject of the thread)

He called me a "drooling chimp" because I made fun of someone for using "I" when it was correct to use "me" (which he defended, because, as my thread explained, he can't distinguish between looking intelligent and being intelligent)
over 6 years
Who did you harass
over 6 years
Today I added the Edit section at the start of the thread
almost 7 years

MafiaGod says

Pish POSH! This entire post should be deleted and his IP address should be banned, HOW dare you try to usurp this wonderful website! Burn the heretic!


xd
almost 7 years
'Fun is just a buzzword when you can't actually think of any real reasons as to why the game is good, don't use it.'
almost 7 years

Bluezy says

attempt to have some self resolve and just do something else if you're not having fun??


Users don't question whether they're having fun. Fun isn't relevant to an addict.
almost 7 years
GERROUTTA HERE
almost 7 years
TL;DR
almost 7 years
Honestly why hasent yoyo quit already
almost 7 years
“But do you like being slaves?” the Savage was saying as they entered the Hospital. His face was flushed, his eyes bright with ardour and indignation. “Do you like being babies? Yes, babies. Mewling and puking,” he added, exasperated by their bestial stupidity into throwing insults at those he had come to save. The insults bounced off their carapace of thick stupidity; they stared at him with a blank expression of dull and sullen resentment in their eyes. “Yes, puking!” he fairly shouted. Grief and remorse, compassion and duty-all were forgotten now and, as it were, absorbed into an intense overpowering hatred of these less than human monsters. “Don’t you want to be free and men? Don’t you even understand what manhood and freedom are?” Rage was making him fluent; the words came easily, in a rush. “Don’t you?” he repeated, but got no answer to his question. “Very well then,” he went on grimly. “I’ll teach you; I’ll make you be free whether you want to or not.”
about 7 years
Sandbox isn't the problem. It's the solution.
about 7 years
I know what your problem is. Two words yoyo200900.

Sand Box.

I use to play in main and training lobby all the time. I'v been here since negative karma and before sandbox. Sandbox is a great place to have fun because it's no longer about playing the game to win unless you want it to be. It's about playing the game to have fun, which includes killing the same person over and over night one, eating your sidekick as wolf, copying and pasting craigslist adds when disguised as somebody, not having to walk on eggshells, purposely throwing the game if you feel like it, and hosting a game just to kick everybody when its almost full.

The thing is yoyo, before you go, perhaps you should learn to play sandbox. There aren't any other rules than cursing certain words, showing adult images, and using third party devices to play the game with.

I'v never played sandbox lobby and left upset or feeling as though I lost, because winning isn't the point. Doing what you want is the point.