Let's not ban guiser from comp. It's fine if you catch somebody on being a guiser because this person doesn't spell, doesn't act or doesn't use the meta as the player you know and you call it out.
But this is not alright if somebody asks a question which provides to the game nothing else but just to test if the questioned person isn't a guiser.
Also, it's not alright if a suspect says some information with a clear intention to prove they're not guised.
This follows the same line of thinking of people that made it gamethrowing for doc to save a clear into meteor. If the rules are warping your ability to play (not being able to use profiles to counter guisers) they need to be adjusted, not doubled down on. There's no benefit to this rule in this context, and there's no way to stop people from circumventing this rule so long as they don't admit to it.
For comp - Just ban all setups containing roles that are against of the spirit of the game, ex. fiddler, silencer, guiser + all the unpopular (sandbox) roles should be left to mod discretion.
Silencer/Fiddler - obstructs verbal interaction; it's basically a free card to ISP.
Similarly
Guiser - acts as a gateway to OGI (ex. profile visits, if you see an alive player in another game or posting on the forums etc.) and so long as you don't mention the reason for voting guiser, you won't get caught for OGI. You can still use the information to your own advantage by pushing on guiser and drilling him/her with an avalanche of questions to the point where it's incontrovertible that X is guised.
But I wonder why guisetesting is not OGI. As you know, it's recalling information from outside the game to the game. You ask someone for age, favorite color, job IRL, etc. And when someone finds a guiser in somebody else and the guiser doesn't look genuine, the town sheeps bw against the guiser and this is the reason why most players say it's not worth guising. What's the purpose of the guiser in the table where everybody is known by at least one other person?
Once I said in A&V setup with deputy instead of sheriff: "I'm confirmed not lawyer, I always cc cop as lawyer and wouldn't let nilla cc cop. If nilla cc'd cop I'd cc with him. I even made a strat why lawyer should cc cop in A&V setup, just look there." I got reported and I was given a note for OGI. My violation was so mild just because the one hammering explained that he knew I was town either way.
But what if I said in guiser setup: "I'm confirmed not guised. As a proof I can tell you that I always cc cop as lawyer in A&V setup and wouldn't let nilla cc cop. If nilla cc'd cop, I'd cc with him. I even made a strat why lawyer should cc cop in that setup, just look there." And I won't get an OGI vio because I was guise-testing, but the methods are the same. Is it fair?
I mean you literally can't help but use it for your own vote. Not verbally using it to others is just mitigation, not solving the issue. If you're able to use it but not say you're using it, that's inherently problematic and stupid.
Guiser has always been a dumb, OGI-intrinsic POS that should have never been in comp. It's fun, it's not competitive. OGI is not only present with it but literally a requirement for defeating it.
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Same as using the fact they are in a new game to show they are guised.
