In real life lately, I have had a lot of good questions from non-Christians (Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc) about being Christian and our beliefs. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask them here. I am open to respectful discussions on this matter here or in PM. I am a Christian, but I have soul searched on this topic a lot over the years..
Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) - The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords."
Tell me that you think the fetuses deserved to be torn out of their mother's stomach with a goddamn sword. Tell me how they deserved this wrath of god.
What's north of the north pole? What happened before the big bang? What does red smell like? This is a malformed question and if you think you have the answer, please provide evidence for it. Don't just make claims about magic. Demonstrate that they are true.
Are you serious right now? Don't ignore these questions: Did the fetuses drowned in the biblical flood deserve it? Did the 6 month old baby Midianite slaughtered by the Israelites at the command of god deserve it? Did the virgins captured after the destruction of the Midianites deserve to be slave concubines at the temple at the command of god? Did the mother f_cking children who mocked Elisha for being bald, deserve to be torn apart and dismembered by goddamn bears for making fun of someone's bald head. If you said yes to any of these, you are morally despicable. And if you think these are immoral, then you're more moral than the god you claim to believe in. I really want you to answer each of these questions. This is common sense. Don't justify atrocities. Call them what they are: atrocious.
yes, brianwashed ppl can easily break from ideological mindsets, it's not at all hard to do, and it's not like something we r all victims off even non-belivers, it is easy af
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We all have brains and can research things later. I personally did myself a lot and most of us do. Bringing up children in a religion I think is important, as it gives them good morals to follow. They can decide later what they believe or not
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I will not go into all of this, but I have a few points. Real Christians do not just follow a church leader. They follow God. There is thinking involved with this. I am a scientist even, so I am a thinker and God can use this.
We are taught as Christians to love everyone. We are not supposed to judge anyone, including those of other faiths. We are only to love them and show them God in our lives. People are human though and do not always do this. This is not acceptable by God though.
Politically i am on the left and I disagree with most things you said. There should be things like health care for the mentally ill. Some people use religious arguments for stupid things, but this is not in agreement with God. I have tried to refute people at times even using the Bible and it never goes anywhere. they can't even find support in the Bible for their beliefs.
People are human, and you can't change this sadly...
Why were you born into the place you were born vs like India or the middle east? I personally think God picks where exactly to put you. He knows where is best for everyone. He has a plan for everyone, and this requires them to be in a certain spot. He still makes it possible for you to find him no matter where you were born
In regards to God's character. I agree that he has done some bad things to people in the old testiment, but these were deserved by the people (assume you are talking about things like the passover, flood, and plagues and such). He does this when the whole society turns against him. He solved these problems 2000 years ago by coming to the earth to die for our sins because he loves us. Now he can't get mad at us for our sin. I view him as my loving father. If you mess up he gets very mad at you, but he no longer has to punish us like we deserve because of Jesus
I'm not arguing for giving kids hormones or blockers lmfao. I'm literally just saying that tricking a child into believing that magic is real is bad. That's it.
No, I didn't exactly grow out of it. Our society absolutely does punish apostasy. We may not stone people, but atheists are looked down upon by our society more than any other group of people. When your spouse is religious and you come out as non-religious, that might lead to a divorce. If your parents are religious, and you come out as non-religious, you might literally be thrown out of the house or disowned. Some religions EXPLICITLY teach and practice this. Other religions merely encourage it. There is no taboo for being an atheist? Lol
If they were originally just asking to fund using cords and placenta, there wouldnt have been as much stigma.
I'm saying encouraging/enabling a child is the same as teaching. If they start saying they are trans and you encourage and give them the choice of taking hormone/blockers, this can inhibit growth and make them sterile.
Are you not atheist now, did I not grow out of It? We don't live in a society that punishes apostasy, there is no taboo to it. I would say in general modern media and culture pushes us to be more non religious.
im against all forms of hierarchy and im yet to see one religion thats congruent with the abolishment of hierarchies, maybe jainism idk, im totally fine with agnostics tho. just every denomination is full of crap
I don't follow. I'm saying that teaching children that fairytales are real creates adults who have been indoctrinated to believe that fairytales are real. What does this have to do with someone being gay or trans? What does this have to do with inhibiting future growth or making them sterile? And indoctrinating children like this makes it very hard for them to escape. It's not as easy as "growing out of their religion".
Stemcells: That's the point. I'm just showing that their beliefs about abortion, which are based on their beliefs about religion, have an affect on everyone in the world in the world who might benefit from an improved cancer treatment.
This isn't morally consistent. Stats say that a kid is 80% more likely to be gay than trans when they make the original claim. When you enable them it's the same as teaching them. I think letting a child choose to inhibit future growth and making them sterile is crueller then teaching them a religion they can grow out of at any time.
Churches: most churches are local I've never attended a mega church growing up.
Stemcell: this is because they were against aborted fetuses being used, then they'd just be against in general because of that.
It's the rest of that paragraph that is important. Children will believe anything you tell them. So it's a problem when you tell them that magic is real and some snakes can talk and some horses can fly. Because you create an adult who thinks some snakes can talk and some horses can fly, because it's been taught to you when you were malleable.
I don't know at what point a fetus is a person. It's clearly not conception, but it's obviously more than a second before birth. I'm also pro choice. I don't know what the solution is, but we need a better system of pregnancy consent and termination consent that takes the desires of the man into consideration.
Churches do SOME things for the communities they are in, but it's often not what you'd think. My previous evangelical mega-church had an operating budget of 40 million last year. A few hundred thousand went to helping the community, and most of that was giving money and equipment to other religious organizations.
I agree that vaccines causing autism has nothing to do with religion. I'm just pointing out why atheists care about religion. We care about truth because when people have false beliefs, those harm others around them. We share the same reality, after all.
The religious were the overwhelming majority against stem cell research in the nineties and perhaps early 2000s. Because it was immoral to benefit from abortions.
Gays, praying, etc. All of these are just me showing why their beliefs affect everyone who shares a reality with them, and explaining why I care.
This is a lot of projection, because you don't know my stance on any of these issues. I already said I'm not religious. But I'll answer them
Right to abortion: I'm pro choice, the true way to lessen abortions is fix our sex ed and a bunch of other stuff I don't feel like mentioning
But I have question for you, at what point is a fetus a person? Is it when the mother decides or is it when the baby exits the women? Why should men be roped into paying child support if the decision is solely dependent on the women?
Exemption from taxes: most churches don't run at a profit and their taxes are paid from their employees. Along with that is that they do a lot of charity and stuff for the communities that they are in.
Vaccines cause autism: This is correlation, religion doesn't mean they believe this. People who tend to be religious believe this, but that doesn't mean it's because of their beliefs.
Stem cells: Despite I support this anyway, you mean embryonic that people are against. I can't see any reason someone would be against the use of the umbelica cord or placenta.
Gays shouldn't marry: this is another thing I support, but they shouldn't be able to force churches to perform services for them or force subscription of people's services.
Praying instead of going to the doctor: This hardly happens.
