That's the issue, no one is sure. I can't say that my idea is 100% correct here. The way I see it, is the Western nations need to leave the Middle East, but not suddenly. As they leave, they should help leave institutions and/or councils, in their place. This council should consist of people from the country they are affecting. Making Saudi Arabia in charge of the fate of the Syrian people for example, will be disastrous. They should make sure there's a clear transition of power that is filled, but that it is a democratic choice (Its the peoples right to choose, not the US). That transition of power is important, because if you leave a power vacuum, then someone will try to fill it by force, and it is rarely a good person.
In a perfect world, I'd redraw the boundaries made by the European powers. (Some countries like Egypt don't need to be redrawn because their borders were always defined. Countries like Syria however did not really exist until recently and their borders do not take a lot of things into account).
That's the thing though, most conflicts are by their nature, political. In the end, some guy will want to achieve some political goal and he will use people to get that goal. They can use religion or nationalism or whatever the hell they want to get more recruits, but it is still politics and everyone tends to lose except those on the top. And politics seems like a simple answer, but the actual specific details can be incredibly complex. Because it's true. Islam, when it was invented, did not have a Shia or Sunni element to it. It was created as a unified religion, and became split from politics after Muhammad's death.
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The West should stop intervening in middle eastern affairs, but then the humanitarians will come out and claim that the west has to do something to protect the marginalized groups within the middle east
what is the fkin solution here
deletedover 7 years
again, you are diminishing it to something that is explained with purely: "its just political, its just politics, everyone understands this!"
are these countries the only places in the world that have political strife and conflict and disagreements? of course not, but due to the *theocratic* nature of the politics, it is a more violent and reactionary fight. To deny any sort of religious affliction in these conflicts is fking ludicrous
Nothing makes people more passionate for their cause than Religion, we saw this in Germany with the rise of Lutheranism replacing Catholicism, and the in-fighting of Christians in Reformation Europe, and we're seeing it now.
Just some quick points. The Sunni/Shia split is political in origin. It was over who should be the next Caliph, Abu Bakr, or Ali. That is politics. As for modern conflicts? Those are caused by the poorly drawn borders created by Britian and other Imperial powers where they left minoritiy groups in charge of majority groups. If Shia's ruled the whole government and the Majority is Sunni, a conflict will occur. Same can be said vice versa. That is again politics.
Just because the formatting is different and they left things out, doesn't mean anything. A lot of those scenarios in the "Christian Terrorism" Wikipedia section tends to refer to something where the loss of life ranges from 2,000 - 50,000. Lol. It also conveniently leaves out things like Dylan Roof.
deletedover 7 years
the KKK is a non-threat in the past 40-50 years, where have you been?
is that really the best you have got? it's all "political"? that seems kind of diminishing and simple, don't you think?
what's the political gain of attacking your own people? The Sunni/Shia relations are all political to you?
get over yourself
deletedover 7 years
and i never ONCE said muslim ideology was to blame for terrorism, i'm just trying to have open discussion as to WHAT is causing this, since i have debunked your points..what else do you have?
you can't really spend all day spamming me with links of Christian terrorism in the name of Christ in the 20th/21st century, because there isn't that many
sure, there are Christian terrorists, but not quite comparable.
and dylann roof was a punk a*ss b*tch that wanted to start a race war, hes a disgusting human being
I'm not going to continue debating you by the way. It's a clear waste of my time. If you think that terrorism happens because Muslims just feel like bombing other countries for fun, or because they're "jealous of your freedom" or w.e excuse you guys use. Then you're sadly mistaken. Every single terrorist attack on that list will have an underlying political cause for it. They can try to legitimize it using religion, but it is political in nature. Instead of throwing a list at me, go pick one of those cases, and really study it, and you'll understand what I'm saying. That's as opposed to a group like the KKK, which just does it because they have some sort of superiority complex.
If you think that Muslim ideology is to blame for all terrorism, then you clearly have no understanding on the topic. Terrorism exists among every group of people. Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu, and Muslim terrorism all exist. Throwing a list at me, without any context, doesn't validate your point. My point, right now, is referring to this particular situation for this particular country. Of course you'd just assume everything is black and white.
And this conveniently leaves out clear terrorist attacks such as those of Dylan Roof. I can spend all day just spamming you with links though if you'd like, but it's pointless. If you think you can throw a list like that at me and just say "These were all done simply because they're Muslim", then you've lost all rational thought and common sense. The world doesn't work like that.
its crazy that all of these countries have been directly bombing the other countries and THATS why there's terrorism! wow that's a lot of bombs!
great explanation parudoks, 10/10 you solved the islamic terrorist crisis u fking goon
deletedover 7 years
yeah its just because these countries bomb other countries that's why there are terrorist attacks within iraq, afghanistan, etc countries that you deem to be bombed by western countries so they retaliate by killing our innocent civilians as well as innocent civilians of their own country but believe me its all our fault they are very peaceful xDDDD
deletedover 7 years
lol these are just horrible people that all connect to the same ideology and bomb innocents for the same purpose of killing infidels but xD its not religion trust me, its not
Because bombing countries has consequences. I don't agree with terrorism, but it shouldn't be a surprise that when you bomb a group of people, they will respond by bombing back. Each time an airstrike kills a civilian, you create hatred in their loved ones towards you. It has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with the human condition. Again, just explaining, not agreeing. I think this is a vicious cycle that needs to end. (The cycle being: you bomb a country, they bomb you, so you bomb them more, then they bomb you more, etc.)
deletedover 7 years
but these attacks have nothing to do with religion lol they're just horrible people
deletedover 7 years
every religion sucks and no religion isn't "beautiful" it's S T U P I D
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