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That setup is stupid and should be

almost 8 years

banned.

Why do we have setups that are only good for casual mode entering the competition? It seems that every second round we have the Sheriff/Blacksmith setup returned to the rota, and it drowns out every other setup. Why is this setup allowed, but Fool Training 3 isn't?

The problem is that it is the exact opposite of what competitive setups should be. As an example, let's compare SDS and the Sheriff setup. SDS goes into an immediate crisis mode for town: if Doc doesn't save, the town goes to MYLO. Similarly, but in a far stupider way, the Sheriff setup starts at Day, and allows one person to put the town into MYLO with the gun.

As soon as a Sheriff kills a villager, the town has to scumhunt at a disadvantage. They (a) have no reports, (b) can't reveal PRs because of the hooker, and (c) can't look for mafia interactions because mafia don't know each other and there are no interactions. For town, it's like scumhunting in the pregame lobby, (and lynching based on pregame is OGI in any other setup by the way).

But wait, it gets worse! Half the Sheriff players fire off their gun without asking for claims, which means that this "competitive" setup is no better than a Sandbox match where everyone gets a gun. People don't play to their win conditions when they get a gun. You don't have to convince anyone to shoot, you just do it. And by not asking for PR claims, the Sheriff is essentially avoiding their win condition which is to eliminate the mafia ONLY, with as little town collateral as possible.

There are so many setups* which are of a competitive standard yet somehow this one, which is not up to standard, is consistently the most played setup. Ban this setup from competition and make it a red heart game so that we can actually play competitive mafia without having to hope that the person who rolls sheriff actually cares about playing the game.

*TEO, VDLI, Janitorial 2.0, SDS, PAU, Classic, Basic Variant, LOBL, S&L, O2R, Basic Logic, B2Basics, B2Night School are all worthy.

Should the unbalanced Sheriff lottery setup be banned?
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Yes
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Of course
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AsbelLhant says

Ok name this REAL mafia site.


Not Epic Mafia , definetly.

Half of the setups here are either pointfarms or unbalanced.
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ABC is actually ABC
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Ok name this REAL mafia site.
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They explained that the setup relies too much on Sheriff, since cop is basically useless with Hooker and Lawyer.

The setup is too luck based too.

3 maf vs 6 town is quiet unbalanced too, especially when town should be Maf x 2 + 1 for balanced setups.
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hun says

It's very much balanced hence the payouts are the same


I talked with some setup makers on different sites.

Turns out that the setup is extremely scumsided and all did not like it.

Real Mafia sites btw.
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the setup relies way too much on the person who just happens to roll sheriff. if a player like myself gets sheriff then town is .
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Transcend- owns 3 gold trophies n a silver and considered one of the best players on this side xD nice try tho
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It's very much balanced hence the payouts are the same
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Get out dumb! Why don't you win and submit your own set up
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So far this thread has been downvoted by:

1. Transcend, a player who joined in Jun 2015, and has played Sh*t Sheriff Shoot 398 timesand Guns & Hookers 1000 times. Transcend cannot play mafia without a townsided gun.

2. RaMpUrI, a player who joined in Jun 2016, and whose only post on the forums was to advocate for a gimmick Hunter setup to be comped.

3. Zuntic, a player who has never posted in the EM forums and has a wild gun of some sort in 4 of his 5 top played setups. His 5th setup is Fancy Pants, so I guess that's 4.25.

4. FerrisKream, joined Nov 2016, and also has 4 out of 5 setups with wild guns, as well as Fancy Pants.

These are all fun setups, *but none of them belong in competitive play, just like Sh*t Sheriff Shoots shouldn't be*.
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xJuicy says

It is played every 3 rounds at maximum


Far too often.


xJuicy says

Basically all the other optional setups you mentioned are used in comp too.


As they should be, they're competitive setups.


xJuicy says

Not classic though, you suggested that because you're dumb.


It'd be better than sheriff shoot.


xJuicy says

If sheriff does shoot on d1


He shouldn't. It shouldn't even be a feature.


xJuicy says

PRs are supposed to out as PR,


Rendering one of them useless and the other one dead.


xJuicy says

and if you can't find a single mafia on d1, don't play comp.


Amazing, because Day 1 is essentially pregame, as I noted. There is no way to scumhunt on D1 of Sheriff Shoot. Especially for a bunch of people who have only ever played the 4xSanta 3xVoodoo setup and think a gun is the height of Mafia innovation.
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oh boy
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It is played every 3 rounds at maximum and doesn't get played as much as say, Jan 2.0 when that's comped. Basically all the other optional setups you mentioned are used in comp too. Not classic though, you suggested that because you're dumb.

If sheriff does shoot on d1, PRs are supposed to out as PR, and if you can't find a single mafia on d1, don't play comp.
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You made a convincing point why sheriff shouldn't shoot day 1.