if you have to make sacrifices to get ahead in life, isn't the net gain 0 and if so isnt sacrificing nothing and achieving nothing equal to if not better than the long game since it's consistently ok instead of bad and good
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anti-shoutout to me for losing it
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shoutout to me for having a full ride scholarship
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I had the opposite situation and was in a state with low tuition for public where the net effect of my families poverty was that I scored full state and financial assistance and got to go for free.
Couldn't really recommend it for someone who has to pay out because as cub says, the net gains of a degree often don't cancel out the long term debt trap. Made especially worse when going to out-of-state publics or almost any private.
im not talking hypotheticals, in reality this is how it works: higher education is a for-profit enterprise, students take out loans with the misguided belief that the degree is worth the time not factoring in the money and spend the rest of their lives in debt.
or maybe you're the lucky minority and your parents have the money to pay for everything, but your personal fortune doesn't span across the general population
I think cub is making overgeneralizations ("school is not a good investment" etc.) in order to provoke people to engage in a debate in this thread, which isn't nice.
My question is where's our new question of the day?
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Whether higher education is worth financial sacrifices is arguable because there are many factors that can effect the rewards reaped.
The field you are studying, the degree level, the networking connections made, the friends made, the life experiences, the pedigree of the school, internships, the job market, all can be valued in to the equation. I agree it certainly isn't easy to make it worth it and its not for everyone, but I don't regret getting some debt for the 4 years I did, and I am still interested in sacrificing more.
ya i meant more like....you have to plant the right seeds in the right place to get max harvest idk it was something overly simple but i wasn't fully awake when i posted that
farming costs more than it pays when you factor all the tools and materials needed to grow food, which is why there have been subsidies to reduce farming because food is seriously devalued if you produce too much yet you can't turn a profit if you produce too little
hmmm i think the problem with college education is when people go to study majors that will lead them into unprofitable fields, and that problem multiplies when they go to a private/more expensive school and have few scholarships if any
for example if you go to an expensive school to be a teacher or social worker, it's not going to be worth the sacrifice of paying off $100,000 in loans on a $30-40k salary your first few years, but if you're going to be an engineer then sure go for it
then again there's the emotional and mental benefit of following your dreams...but then there's the mental and emotional tradeoff of all the stress of paying that $$$
anyway some sacrifices are net gain 0, but back to the engineer thing if you sell your car/work really hard now, in the future it pays dividends
someone make a farming metaphor about seeds and stuff for me thanks
Different things have different values to different people
Also most people wouldn't go through with a sacrifice unless the odds were in their favor / they came out on top
An example of those who would are gambling addicts
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From a literal standpoint you're arguing that school is bad and people shouldn't go. The direct implication that you're making is that the population should be less educated because on an individual basis it isn't worth it for them.
Do you actually believe that educating the population is bad?
I don't think you do. To me it sounds like you just think that the current education system is broken and should be reformed, but you've done a not-so-great job of articulating yourself.
and on an intellectual scale, I think you fall under neosophist, which is a term i just made up to describe smug internet pseudo-intellectuals who only defend their positions by calling people they disagree with petty insults they picked up from watching edgy youtubers
you haven't provided an argument. you just provided a label
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On a political scale I think that you fall quite snugly under the title "regressive middle"
its practically common knowledge that school costs more than you get out of it
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you seem pretty intelligent cub, I have a hard time believing that you actually think school isn't worth the sacrifice. I think you're just playing devil's advocate
this is a prime example of likely gaining nothing for your sacrifices, a college degree isn't worth much now yet to get one you have to spend years of work that you're paying for and, if you're most people, accrue a lifetime of debt that you'll never pay off
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