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Is it optimal to stalk and nk to find orc and sac orc after you have hit the bp n1?

I think there are certain situations where you should not do it. Depending on the maf team and the players on the table.

Would you sac orc
4
Never
2
Only if I have a noob maf partner and orc is on me
1
Only if entire town is pro
0
Always
0
Only if maf team is strong
0
Others
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whoever made that mathlete account is legit really smart tho
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bonk says

i think this guy would like a word with you, pitch

https://epicmafia.com/user/601948#/


wtf is this hahahaa
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is that
me

lol
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Becomeclear says

Isnt it lovely when girls get together to express themselves



lol
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Isnt it lovely when girls get together to express themselves
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21 seconds in..........

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i'm joking bonk. that mathlete account owns tho lol

https://vimeo.com/83997403#at=3
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Depends on table. If you do it and theres only 2 players on the table who wouldve done it, you better try to blame the other experienced guy or ure toast. Also, depends if i prefer the bp or orc to dies. If bp is a good player, i might just kill it. If hes a noob, i will most likely stalk and sac. Meta can also go both ways, on a good table i would probably be meta-clear ish if bp gets hit twice in a row etc
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how old are you?
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and pranay isn't even any good at mafia, there's like no refuge here
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soul mates??
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lol. honestly tho it does give me a sort of despair when people can't do real fcking simple math or just figure simple things. do u guys think intelligent people are more capable of love than idiots? like, how can someone love someone else if they don't even know who they are? if their conception of the other is as flawed as pranay's conception of any of these setups he plays?

:( feels lonely man
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i think this guy would like a word with you, pitch

https://epicmafia.com/user/601948#/
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please do not make any more threads where the whole site fails at math
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sack orc if u have orc aimed at someone town, and that town aimed at another town, and good game
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i literally posted the math above and mechanically no difference whatsoever
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Hunt says

That's why I'd sac orc if my partner is noob and orc is on me.


There only has to be one experienced player to tell their partner to NK and stalk for orc at night; as long as one player on the team is experienced then the partner can be noob or really good, it doesn't matter
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Mechanically yes but from a meta standpoint most players aren't going to do this so if it happens in your game it's probably a more experienced player doing it; therefore from a meta standpoint I'd say no. Plus the Oracle is gonna be claiming on Day 2 half the time anyway if you kill the BP Night 2


Blister says

i feel like each new day is just another chance for noobs to towntell


Also this but it works the other way sometimes as well
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Idk the reason for maf to focus on BP? It gives only 4/3 times more chance to win when BP hit, but also you're forced to kill an unclear and give the hammering person more clears. It's about VDLI.

About what pranay said well... once I hit BP and stalked orc. BP hid the hit claim and didn't out. We killed an orc who was on BP.

I always NK with BP hit until I stalk for orc. Less clears in late game and orc not getting reads.
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Meta the nightlength. Make your noob partner act fast with no explanation, or stall it with a good one and make it seem like there was explanation going. You're making your noob partner towntell, regardless of numbers.
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just by pure math:

odds of maf winning not hitting orc are 63%

if maf hits orc and orc is on blue, odds of maf winning rise to 70%

if maf hits orc and orc is on maf, odds of maf winning drop to 53%

odds of orc on maf is 33%

so two 2/3 times you'll win 70% of the time
1/3 times you'll win 53% of the time

which comes out at 64% maf winchance hitting orc

64% vs 63% total, hitting/not hitting orc

mathematically, do whatever the fck. reads-wise, be good. uh but u probably shouldn't sack orc if you know he'll be on you
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That's why I'd sac orc if my partner is noob and orc is on me.
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i feel like each new day is just another chance for noobs to towntell